The Lords have voted against the Rwanda Bill

Agreed, HPQ

I laugh at the failure of Sunak's attempt to use the plight of these poor people to a perceived political advantage by breaking international law and attempting to legislate that black is actually white...

I have never been 'amused' by the tragedy of people smugglers, of migrants so desperate to escape that they risk being launched in an inflatable dinghy on a dark, cold night.

I believe they’re set to do the same with the bill to monitor the bank accounts of benefit claimants.

Well HousePlantQueen I’m surprised you find this subject a laughing matter.
A very strange subject to be amused about, if you’re genuinely concerned that is.

Still…..it takes all sorts as they say.

HousePlantQueen

Kandinsky

Why, when discussing this, do people put up smiley laughing faces?
It’s like they’re happy just because ‘the right’ have been defeated, like it’s one big game and they’ve scored a goal.
I never feel there’s genuine concern for the people caught up in this situation.
There probably isn’t most of the time.

Last time I checked, this was a discussion forum. Having been (rather rudely) criticised earlier this week for calling Farage a grifter, I now find that I am castigated for laughing. So much for freedom of expression eh? When you take over GN, let me know, until then, my opinion, my emojis, are as valid as anyone else's.

😄😄

MayBee70

HousePlantQueen

The great cheerleader for democracy, Farage, has said that the entire membership of the HoL should be sacked 😀.

I bet he’d change his mind if they offered him a lordship!

He certainly would. He wouldn’t be able to get those robes on quick enough.

Kandinsky

Why, when discussing this, do people put up smiley laughing faces?
It’s like they’re happy just because ‘the right’ have been defeated, like it’s one big game and they’ve scored a goal.
I never feel there’s genuine concern for the people caught up in this situation.
There probably isn’t most of the time.

Last time I checked, this was a discussion forum. Having been (rather rudely) criticised earlier this week for calling Farage a grifter, I now find that I am castigated for laughing. So much for freedom of expression eh? When you take over GN, let me know, until then, my opinion, my emojis, are as valid as anyone else's.

Why, when discussing this, do people put up smiley laughing faces?
It’s like they’re happy just because ‘the right’ have been defeated, like it’s one big game and they’ve scored a goal.
I never feel there’s genuine concern for the people caught up in this situation.
There probably isn’t most of the time.

This government has wasted so much time and money on this plan, which was never a good idea in the first place.
Just shut the door to migrants, don't accept any more applications for asylum. That is all they need to do.
Send them back to France and let the French deal with the problem.

I’m not surprised.

So I think we can forget Rwanda now and treat it as a mere diversionary tactic by the Tories to cover up the paucity of any policy that will make a difference to our every day lives.

Of course they will be pleased and thankful to turn to the tax cuts in the March budget, but will have to do some serious explanation given the dreadful state of our public services.

I think the tax cuts are probably nothing more than what they hope will be a trap for labour. However, labour needs to bat it away with pointing out the diabolical state of our schools, the diabolical state of our health service, the diabolical state of our judiciary service, the diabolical state of our roads, the diabolical state of our waterways, our crumbling flood defences, the total unfairness of our family benefit scheme, the doubling and tripling of destitution, on and on it goes.

And then they have to god damn nerve to laud tax cuts!!

amtheir = another of their. My phone is illiterate.

Apparently, according to the wise folk at the Institute for Government, the government can simply ignore today’s Lords’ vote but will have to formally explain why.

The Lords said they will finish scrutinising the Bill by the end of March, but then it’ll go backwards and forwards.

Its never going to happen and I am inclined to think that most Tories know that - they just want to keep negative portrayals of immigration in the media, and to have someone to blame for amtheir own failures, as is the populist way.

The Lords can hold it up for up to a year. The only time they can't do that is if the bill concerns something in the government's election manifesto. Which, of course, this isn't.

Next step for the Lords is examining the actual Bill. I expect they will heavily amend it and send it back to the Commons. Then Sunak et al will strip out the amendments and send it back to the Lords…

They haven’t voted against the Bill, as I understand it.

They have voted against ratifying the Treaty with Rwanda, until the safeguards
in it have been implemented and tested.

It’s a blow for the government, because under the terms of the Bill, the law will not come into force until the treaty is ratified.

I’m not sure what the next steps for the government are, since I can’t remember the last time the Lords refused to ratify an international treaty.

Good for them. I hope the Lords amend it heavily but preferably kill it off.

RosiesMaw

I don't think they can actually throw it out can they? Just send it back to the Commons for amendment or delay it.
TG for an upper house which shows some sense though.

Well, that's interesting!

I'm not sure, RosiesMaw

I remember one rebellion years ago when the Lords disagreed with the Commons and which affected a member of our family in a positive way 🙂
The Commons were left looking mean and mean-spirited

If the Conservatives could squeeze in a couple more PM’s before the next election they might be able to create enough new lords in the resignation honours thingy to get the Rwanda bill through ( it’s a cunning plan but it might just work….)

I don't think they can actually throw it out can they? Just send it back to the Commons for amendment or delay it.
TG for an upper house which shows some sense though.

HousePlantQueen

The great cheerleader for democracy, Farage, has said that the entire membership of the HoL should be sacked 😀.

I bet he’d change his mind if they offered him a lordship!

The great cheerleader for democracy, Farage, has said that the entire membership of the HoL should be sacked 😀.

I thought Rishi Sunak in his recent speech almost tried to bully the HoL into supporting the government. I didn't like it at all. Nor did the HoL it seems.

Thank goodness for that.

Good. The current govt doesn't seem to understand the purpose of the HOL.