There is no evidence that the academic achievements of children who attend selective schools are significantly better than those of children of similar ability and social background who attend comprehensive schools. In the long term, indeed, the reverse would appear to be the case, since all the evidence shows that, among similarly qualified university students, the best degrees are obtained by those who have been to comprehensive schools.
This may be one of the many reasons why not one of the world’s best education systems employs academic selection of the kind that persists in England to the detriment of so many young lives.
www.theguardian.com/education/2017/jun/19/the-self-serving-myths-peddled-by-selective-and-private-schools
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Seems Prince George will be attending Eton after all, same as his father and Uncle Harry.
(217 Posts)Apparently Catherine favoured her alma mater, Marlborough 50 miles away - a co-ed establishment. Did you know there are over 100 boys at Eton paying no fees? I didn’t. They're not all "elite". Many are very normal, others are very rich. It's a complete mix. They are all clever though. I hope he can keep up.
Private school education may damage students’ social and emotional development, study suggests
www.york.ac.uk/news-and-events/news/2020/research/private-school-development/
It seems that the present king did suffer emotional damage from his private school education.
The real advantage - perhaps the only advantage, in attending a private school is the value of social connections which make it far easier to enter elite professions and get a top job.
www.tes.com/magazine/archive/elite-five-times-more-likely-have-private-education
Prince George doesn't need any extra help to get his toe in the door of a well paid career.
He is already headed for a top job.
So why not allow him to mix with normal children?
Are children attended Eaton subnormal?
Anniebach
Are children attended Eaton subnormal?
Or abnormal?
Just 5 per centof men’s football international players attended independent schools, in stark contrast to the 37 per centof rugby internationals and 43 per centofthe England cricket team.
I think you'll find that may well be set to change. Football is now increasingly part of the sports curriculum in prep schools and in senior schools. Professional players certainly visit independent schools to coach youngsters, and many boys are on the books of Premier League Academies which leads to football careers. Obviously girls' football the same, thanks to the success of the Lionesses. The article is wrong to suggest that private schools don't keep their eye on the ball! ⚽️
The real advantage - perhaps the only advantage, in attending a private school is the value of social connections which make it far easier to enter elite professions and get a top job.
That's bonkers!
An example of an independent school leader in the field, with many others flooding the pitch. 🥅
I do wish people see that children who attend private schools are just normal children.
Just 5 per centof men’s football international players attended independent schools, in stark contrast to the 37 per centof rugby internationals and 43 per centofthe England cricket team
And??
Only rugby was played in Welsh comprehensives a few years ago. I'm not sure if pupils are allowed to try out football now.
It's not worth arguing against prejudiced views.
varian is making some good points here, maybe have a think about it before jumping in with the nasty comments.
You know perfectly well what she means by saying "normal children ".
Joseann
^The real advantage - perhaps the only advantage, in attending a private school is the value of social connections which make it far easier to enter elite professions and get a top job^.
That's bonkers!
Britain’s top jobs still in hands of private school elite, study finds
theguardian.com/society/2019/jun/25/britains-top-jobs-still-in-hands-of-private-school-elite-study-finds
Private schools (a video from 2019)
youtu.be/pN36jVSp1x0
Sorry varian, I'm disagreeing with your incorrect comment that that is the ONLY advantage in attending a private school, not about top jobs themselves.
Football is not usually one of the main sports at Independent Schools. They tend to focus on Rugby, Hockey, Cricket, etc.
The one area that Independent Schools excel in is they offer extracurricular sports at weekends as well as after school. They have an Independent League they play within and because there is such a focus on sports, the standards of the players tend to be high.
The other thing that I have noticed is that when my son's sports' club recruited Hockey Players, they really struggled to recruit from local state schools despite an active recruitment program with funding for those who would struggle to play. I don't think it helped that State Schools did not give them opportunities to play much Hockey in school so they weren't as skilled as the Independent School kids. It rather put them off.
When my son was searching for graduate schemes one of the things that made things difficult was that Independent School pupils were not allowed to apply for places. Not every Independent School pupil can rely on connections. From our experience that is only a bonus if you are one of the super elite, not just one of the plebs like us.
Joseann
Sorry varian, I'm disagreeing with your incorrect comment that that is the ONLY advantage in attending a private school, not about top jobs themselves.
I did write "perhaps the only advantage.", not because I do not recognise that parents who buy p;laces at private schools are buying better facilities and smaller classes, which they think will advantage their children, and to an extent they do, but numerous studies have shown that academic advantage is doubtful when state school students perform better at university than their peers from private schools with the same A levels. Perhaps an element of spoon-feeding is counter productive at the end of the day.
Yes if you go to a school with great sports facilities you will be more likely to excel at sports - not many top equestrians come from disadvantaged families.
However the big attraction of private education is social. Your child will be segregated from "the Oiks" and get to know little Lord Fauntleroy whose Dad works in an investment bank and will be much more likely to offer your child a job or at least an internship, getting his foot on the ladders of the "Old Boys Club" which still holds sway in 21st century Britain
varian - I could try to agree with you by using less confrontational, more diplomatic language but I’m not even going to try. One branch of my family followed the private school path you set out with the results you predict
varian I'm from an "oik" London comprehensive school, there were only 4 girls left by the 6th form. My DH is from an independent school. Sod it, I'd have swapped everything for the confidence and self assurance that he has. And his father wasn't Lord Fauntleroy or Captain Cedric Errol, or worked in invested banking, but an employee of London Transport!
Joseann the current head of TFL is from Repton, from a single parent family and earns £400k per annum. There are good engineers working for London Transport and I don’t quite understand your point. You need to be bright to work as an engineer for example.
So are we, our children and grandchildren are all either oiks or Little Lord (or Lady) Fauntleroys?
How judgemental is that!
An LT bus inspector, ronib, not bright, who earned not much more than the minimum wage in the 1970s on the 29 bus route. At the time there was a shortage of LT workers because the price of property in the capital made it difficult for LT workers to live there. An independent education thankfully took DH out of this humdrum existence.
Joseann well okay it might seem humdrum to you but it was an honest occupation and put food on the table. Were they happy though?
I think this probably overlaps somewhat with another thread discussing the added value of a good education. Sometimes it is the only means of moving up and improving oneself.
varian
It seems that the present king did suffer emotional damage from his private school education.
He suffered at that particular school, not the system.
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