The Supreme Court has ruled the Rwanda deportations are illegal

Exactly, they are economic migrants. They talk to people until they find someone who will 'help' them... (Who of course may or may not help - they will take money or a debt on friends/family) and once on their way, return is 'failure'...

sandelf

Exactly, they are economic migrants. They talk to people until they find someone who will 'help' them... (Who of course may or may not help - they will take money or a debt on friends/family) and once on their way, return is 'failure'...

Who are "they"? Do you mean all of the them? How do you know?

How exactly do you know this? Is the charity you support assisting them?

Germanshepherdsmum

It is indeed untenable. The result of a challenge to the government’s plan to house up to 1700 male asylum seekers in a disused air base in rural Essex is currently awaited.

The SC said that in principle sending asylum seekers to a safe third country is not unlawful, they simply didn’t consider that Rwanda fitted the bill, so maybe a deal will be done with another country.

The migrants were demonstrating outside the base this week. They are saying that they don't have enough suitable food, clothes or blankets and nothing to do. Some of them have only flip flops to wear on their feet. They are only saying what local residents have said all along, wrong plan, wrong place. James Cleverly is the local MP and now he is the Home Secretary, he has agreed with local concern about the place, I wonder if he will change his tune now??? There are currently about 500 migrants housed at the base.

JenniferEccles

But we can’t just continue to take endless migrants who just fancy living here can we?
How many people could we be talking about, hundreds of thousands certainly, possibly millions.

Suppose a large number from Africa fancy coming here, or from the Middle East?

How will the country cope? We could be completely overwhelmed.
As it is the housing shortage is in a large part due to the rapidly rising population here, fuelled by immigration.

Our infrastructure is struggling to cope as it is.

Heaven help us then if Labour get in as they would do nothing to curb it.

You sound like a raging right wing Tory. The infrastructure here is due to perpetual neglect and funding cuts by the Tories. How fortunate for you that you were born here and feel entitled to decide who can live here. The housing shortage is caused by not buildings houses. Thatcher persuaded people to buy their council houses then didn’t build any more. Imagine having to risk your life to get to a decent country. You have clearly bought into the ‘either, or’ mindset that has been used in the right wing media.

It’s a totally unsuitable place in the middle of nowhere missdeke. I wonder what ‘suitable’ food they want? Perhaps they want to be put up at the Ritz after a shopping spree in the West End to buy clothes.

Supreme Court against Rwanda
Many UK people are happy
It makes me wonder
If these people are dippy

Boat people don't fish
They want here for the benefit
Back home begging, return empty dish
Come to the UK, life would lift

UK Supporters do not know
Government make UK people pay
Cancel benefits for your blow
UK Supporters do not say

Lazy people are in their element
Boat people eventually employed
Businesses seek them for employment
Many boat people deployed

UK Treasury lines with honey
And finally, the UK's is left with future pain
For there will be no money
Supporter's descendant's disdain

My name is Osama
The US put me in the bin
Almost my name sake, Obama
The ex-President anguish heavily laden

Jennifer Eccles we are not a soft touch, refugees are not treated well and what they want is to work and thats what the government should be facilitating. Instead they spout garbage which encourages people to think as you do

I don’t know the source of your information, but you can’t speak for all of them.

Germanshepherdsmum

It’s a totally unsuitable place in the middle of nowhere missdeke. I wonder what ‘suitable’ food they want? Perhaps they want to be put up at the Ritz after a shopping spree in the West End to buy clothes.

A local Conservative councillor was allowed access to Wethersfield. He was generally positive about the accommodation and people he met, but even he was scathing about the food. On the day he visited, the evening meal was cheap-looking burger with soggy chips and lettuce salad. He was told that was served up quite often.

The ECHR, like the international agreements on migrants/refugees, were made in another time and for altogether different purposes. It would be more useful for the international community to work together to make them fit for purpose in this modern age. Migration to Western Europe is likely to increase further in the coming years and the present situation is simply going to be unaffordable and untenable for very many countries not least our own. Our younger generations are going to be burdened enough in the coming years; to expect their taxes to remain at the present high level, or even increase, to meet international commitments is completely unfair.

Germanshepherdsmum

I don’t know the source of your information, but you can’t speak for all of them.

Neither can you. And those people who claim they are all here as "economic migrants" and think the UK is a soft touch don't speak for everybody either - nor do those who claim all migrant facilities are holiday camps.

Amalegra

The ECHR, like the international agreements on migrants/refugees, were made in another time and for altogether different purposes. It would be more useful for the international community to work together to make them fit for purpose in this modern age. Migration to Western Europe is likely to increase further in the coming years and the present situation is simply going to be unaffordable and untenable for very many countries not least our own. Our younger generations are going to be burdened enough in the coming years; to expect their taxes to remain at the present high level, or even increase, to meet international commitments is completely unfair.

I'm baffled by this. Which human rights are no longer relevant?

I wonder what the reaction is going to be to Cameron's demand/suggestion that the level of foreign aid is increased substantially.

I wouldn’t expect them to be fed haute cuisine growstuff. Probably some very poor people born in the UK would be very pleased to have that meal free of charge.

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missdeke

Germanshepherdsmum

It is indeed untenable. The result of a challenge to the government’s plan to house up to 1700 male asylum seekers in a disused air base in rural Essex is currently awaited.

The SC said that in principle sending asylum seekers to a safe third country is not unlawful, they simply didn’t consider that Rwanda fitted the bill, so maybe a deal will be done with another country.

The migrants were demonstrating outside the base this week. They are saying that they don't have enough suitable food, clothes or blankets and nothing to do. Some of them have only flip flops to wear on their feet. They are only saying what local residents have said all along, wrong plan, wrong place. James Cleverly is the local MP and now he is the Home Secretary, he has agreed with local concern about the place, I wonder if he will change his tune now??? There are currently about 500 migrants housed at the base.

I would imagine he's going to have to think up some smart answer to this.

BTW The reason locals (who don't appear to mind living in the middle of nowhere) are peeved is because they're frightened about the value of their homes. The local council was planning to sell the site off for development of houses for people who don't mind living in the middle of nowhere.

Anyway, it's not going to be in the middle of nowhere for long because the local council is planning hundreds of thousands of new homes not far from the site, so there's going to be a fairly substantial new town fairly soon.

Germanshepherdsmum

I wouldn’t expect them to be fed haute cuisine growstuff. Probably some very poor people born in the UK would be very pleased to have that meal free of charge.

Don't be silly! But would you eat rubbishy burgers every day?

Nannashirlz

lol some of you make me laugh these young fighting age men are coming here for our soft touch our 5/4 star hotels and are a burden on our nhs schools and houses. If they were in so much fear they wouldn’t travel through so many countries to get here and yes you going to say got family here because they are all cousins of cousins and now they marching on our streets singing from the river to the sea. When will some of you wake up and our country is getting destroyed

Why does that make you laugh?

Actually, you obviously are having a laugh! Do you honestly think the hotels where asylum seekers have been accommodated are 4 or 5 star? Have you seen them?

If I was one of these allegedly desperate people who had reached a safe country and wanted to stay there I believe I would be grateful for what I was given and not whinge about it growstuff.

growstuff

Actually, you obviously are having a laugh! Do you honestly think the hotels where asylum seekers have been accommodated are 4 or 5 star? Have you seen them?

And the money is coming from the overseas aid budget and the hotel owners are getting the money that should be going to third world countries. Mind you, David Cameron is going to tweak that.

Germanshepherdsmum

If I was one of these allegedly desperate people who had reached a safe country and wanted to stay there I believe I would be grateful for what I was given and not whinge about it growstuff.

Well, maybe an experiment could be arranged.

I think I do; just because have a different opinion to you doesn’t mean I don’t understand what is being discussed.

JdotJ

Interestingly I see that Finland has closed its borders to asylum seekers.

They have closed 4 out of 8. Finland borders Russia. They say Putin is encouraging the migrants to destabilise the West. The border crossings that have been closed (till spring) are the ones nearest the most heavily populated areas.

Several EU countries are becoming dissatisfied with the concept of Schengen. Italy and Germany being two.

Sorry the above was meant in reply to German shepherdsmum who felt I might not have understood fully.