Positivity

Don’t think there is much positive about Starmer

How big business took over the Labour Party
Corporate lobbyists have successfully pushed Keir Starmer’s party to ditch its progressive policies.

www.opendemocracy.net/en/labour-party-big-business-keir-starmer-lobbying-donations-ditch-progressive-policies/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=content_studio

And

Diane Abbott MP

As a Black woman, and someone on the left of the Labour Party, I have unfortunately been forced to reach the conclusion that I will not get a fair hearing from this Labour leadership.

x.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1704149054123360651?s=20

maddyone

^there we’re no small boats prior to Brexit^

No, but there were lorries!

Sorry maddyone just noticed your post! 😊

maddyone

I’m surprised anyone in this country likes, or more importantly, trusts Macron. I find him despicable and I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him. He’s not well liked by the French either, but like in the UK, choices were limited when it came to the election. He was elected not because he was hugely popular, but because he was the least worst of those on offer.

Frankly the calibre of politicians the world over is dire. Can the world offer us nothing better than Biden, Trump, Macron, Sunak, Starmer, and the woke Trudeau? Not to mention the awful Sturgeon? And Humsa Yousaf appears to be floundering and incapable.
Or the lovely Putin, Kim Jong Un, or Xi Jinping?
The list appears to be endless!

The French never like their presidents once they're in power. we've been in France since Sarkozy became president. They didn't like him and they didn't like Hollande either.

There were NO SMALL BOATS prior to Brexit

Maybe not Whitewave but the migrants were jumping onto lorries in the dead of night from the Calais jungle. Sangatte? And I don’t suppose that Irish man who drove the container across Europe where 39 Asian migrants sadly lost their lives was a new business model either. He’d got them through border checks too. It’s a very lucrative business for some - human trafficking.

Callistemon21

He's unelected, why is he intervening and what is his motive?

He's become another shadowy figure working behind the scenes wanting to bring about change, shaping the Labour Party policies, including plans for privatising parts of the NHS.

Such shadowy, unelected people such as Blair, Cummings, can have enormous influence on policy.

That’s the way of the world in politics though, surely? Every party has figures of influence behind the scenes. It’s a pity recent prime ministers haven’t listened more to John Major in my opinion. I’d imagine all ex PMs can impart huge amounts of wisdom to their would be successors, even if it’s ‘how not to do it’, and they will all have contacts and influence which continue after they leave office too.

You must wear rose tinted glasses Whitewavemark2 !!!

Well I think Rishi Sunak should invite Marine le Pen over to the UK to ‘explore common ground’.
🤣🤣

As many as 70%?
I’m surprised it’s that many, if it truly is!

So much for solidarity with the eu.
foreignpolicy.com/2023/02/27/france-macron-eu-europe-russia-ukraine-war/

I think he’s more popular on GN than in his own country. Only 70% support him.

We returned very few people to anywhere, just as we continue to return very few people to anywhere now.
Are you suggesting that everyone who crossed illegally to the UK and instantly claimed asylum, was returned? Or even a few were returned?
Virtually none were returned!

there we’re no small boats prior to Brexit

No, but there were lorries!

He's unelected, why is he intervening and what is his motive?

He's become another shadowy figure working behind the scenes wanting to bring about change, shaping the Labour Party policies, including plans for privatising parts of the NHS.

Such shadowy, unelected people such as Blair, Cummings, can have enormous influence on policy.

So the present agreement with France signed by Braverman means that the U.K. will pay something like £7 million more than the previous agreement. This is so France can put 350 more police on the coast to try to stop the smugglers. Up to March 2023 France has stopped nearly 1500 boats carrying more than 33 thousand people. France stops approximately 43% of small boats. France is spending 3-5 times more on this endeavour than the U.K. (information from HoC library)

There were NO SMALL BOATS prior to Brexit.

Why? Because the Tory government left the EU without any returns agreement in place.

This is what Starmer is seeking to redress.

My favourite politician is Volodymyr Zelensky.
A man who really does care about his country.

are you criticising Starmer?

Yes!

I’m surprised anyone in this country likes, or more importantly, trusts Macron. I find him despicable and I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him. He’s not well liked by the French either, but like in the UK, choices were limited when it came to the election. He was elected not because he was hugely popular, but because he was the least worst of those on offer.

Frankly the calibre of politicians the world over is dire. Can the world offer us nothing better than Biden, Trump, Macron, Sunak, Starmer, and the woke Trudeau? Not to mention the awful Sturgeon? And Humsa Yousaf appears to be floundering and incapable.
Or the lovely Putin, Kim Jong Un, or Xi Jinping?
The list appears to be endless!

I’m intrigued to know what it is that people think Blair can be up to here, can any of you put your finger on it, or is it just a general suspicion?

Whitewavemark2

maddyone

GrannyGravy13

As it has been widely acknowledged that it was Tony Blair that instigated the meet-up between Sir Starmer and Monsieur Macron I am somewhat sceptical as to Mr. Blair’s motives.

This.

I’m a bit puzzled. Are you criticising Starmer?

No, I can't speak for others but warmongerer Blair's motives?

Many of the problems we now encounter with how to deal with the increased immigration to Europe are down to him.

maddyone

GrannyGravy13

As it has been widely acknowledged that it was Tony Blair that instigated the meet-up between Sir Starmer and Monsieur Macron I am somewhat sceptical as to Mr. Blair’s motives.

This.

I’m a bit puzzled. Are you criticising Starmer?

GrannyGravy13

As it has been widely acknowledged that it was Tony Blair that instigated the meet-up between Sir Starmer and Monsieur Macron I am somewhat sceptical as to Mr. Blair’s motives.

This.

Whitewavemark2

Macron will never trust this government after it became obvious that they bare-faced lied to Macron.

Monsieur Macron is happy to accept millions of our U.K. £’s to help police the French coastline though?

It takes a quick Google to see those Border Police leaning up against their cars enjoying a Citane watching the heinous people traffickers push the boats out…

These odious dealers in peoples lives are making a huge profit under Monsieur Macron’s nose!

Macron will never trust this government after it became obvious that they bare-faced lied to Macron.

Positive to you. Negative to me, and I presume some others.
That alone, is enough for me not to even consider voting for Labour at next Election.

I am a floating voter. Have been for about 30 years.
Not at all sure I will vote Conservative either. We shall see.
Probably end up voting for someone else on the voting paper, like I did last time.
I know Scotland sometimes has maybe only 4 people to vote for in an election. Where I am, there are sometimes, up to 10 candidates to choose from.

Casdon

GrannyGravy13

As it has been widely acknowledged that it was Tony Blair that instigated the meet-up between Sir Starmer and Monsieur Macron I am somewhat sceptical as to Mr. Blair’s motives.

What do you think they might be?

Not sure, but I do not trust Tony Blair in any way, shape or form.

GrannyGravy13

As it has been widely acknowledged that it was Tony Blair that instigated the meet-up between Sir Starmer and Monsieur Macron I am somewhat sceptical as to Mr. Blair’s motives.

What do you think they might be?