We’re rejoining the Horizon programme….

It's like Chinese Whispers, isn't it.

I mentioned Erasmus as several previous posters, including you, had mentioned it

I only mentioned it in in order to question why it was being discussed when the thread was about rejoining Horizon. Which, incidentally, has been supposedly under discussion at UK/EU level for some time.

As far as I am aware there have been no moves at all towards rejoining Erasmus and the UK has set up its own, inferior, scheme.

Blossoming

MaizieD

Blossoming

I’m delighted that we are rejoining Erasmus and Horizon. It may not affect me directly but I’m glad that it will benefit my fellow countrymen and women. Horizon doesn’t only benefit academia, it benefits tech companies and developers.

I'm sorry. The OP, and thread title, only refers to Horizon.

Has rejoining Erasmus been announced, too?

No, and neither has rejoining Horizon. No announcement has yet been made, the details are still being finalised.

I mentioned Erasmus as several previous posters, including you, had mentioned it.

Has now😄 BBC headlined this morning. Our scientists must be soooo relieved. The thought of isolating ourselves was beyond ridiculous.

Now - let’s get going with Erasmus.

MaizieD

Blossoming

I’m delighted that we are rejoining Erasmus and Horizon. It may not affect me directly but I’m glad that it will benefit my fellow countrymen and women. Horizon doesn’t only benefit academia, it benefits tech companies and developers.

I'm sorry. The OP, and thread title, only refers to Horizon.

Has rejoining Erasmus been announced, too?

No, and neither has rejoining Horizon. No announcement has yet been made, the details are still being finalised.

I mentioned Erasmus as several previous posters, including you, had mentioned it.

Urmstongran

As far as I know a delivery driver on a zero hours contract doesn’t need a degree. Or Erasmus Whitewave. It’s horses for courses.

With AI rolling out at an alarming rate it’s very likely that the tables will turn. If there was ever a time for Young people to learn a trade, it’s now.

www.cnbc.com/2023/07/31/ai-could-affect-many-white-collar-high-paid-jobs.html#

No, but M0nica mentioned that she hoped it would be reinstated and other posts carried on discussing that hope.

Blossoming

I’m delighted that we are rejoining Erasmus and Horizon. It may not affect me directly but I’m glad that it will benefit my fellow countrymen and women. Horizon doesn’t only benefit academia, it benefits tech companies and developers.

I'm sorry. The OP, and thread title, only refers to Horizon.

Has rejoining Erasmus been announced, too?

I’m delighted that we are rejoining Erasmus and Horizon. It may not affect me directly but I’m glad that it will benefit my fellow countrymen and women. Horizon doesn’t only benefit academia, it benefits tech companies and developers.

Urmstongran

As far as I know a delivery driver on a zero hours contract doesn’t need a degree. Or Erasmus Whitewave. It’s horses for courses.

As far as I believe, no-one should be on zero hours contract!

I get your point, but being part of the Horizon programme is hugely important for international research and innovation. Whether you or that nice driver is aware of it, or not.

Urmstongran

As I say, those it affects or might affect in the future will be delighted.

It will affect everyone, but not everyone is capable of foreseeing that.

My previous post mentioned Erasmus, as I was answering a post that mentioned it. The original post was about Horizon. That too is about contact with knowledgeable people from other countries, and pooling expertise to solve international concerns.

Being insular and saying "We don't need to join that, it won't do anything for A, B or C" is insular, arrogant and short-sighted. How can we predict who it will help in the future? or what breakthrough will come from a meeting between people from various backgrounds using their different viewpoints and skill sets? What do we gain by shutting ourselves into our own little corner?

Urmstongran Horizon is all about research funding of all kinds. Any advances made in medicine, engineering or electronics benefits everybody Erasmus has been referred to, but it is Horizon funding that is coming back.

Such a hackneyed blinkered old fashioned argument too. One that i thought went out with twinsets and pearls. You forgot to mention about the middle classes wearing those.

Urmstongran

As far as I know a delivery driver on a zero hours contract doesn’t need a degree. Or Erasmus Whitewave. It’s horses for courses.

The delivery driver is probably delivering products developed, designed and made in Asia and sold by a massive conglomerate based in China, with the money for the manufacture and the sale and resale all going to out of Britain to those areas. Someone with a degree who benefitted from the internationality of Erasmus is likely to participate in the research, development, design, manufacture or sale of products, and could (if our government had the sense to encourage them) work on those skills in Britain.

Why do you think that the students should be prevented from broadening the international education and intellectual contacts that would make them fitter for boosting Britain's exports in a competitive world and improving the balance of our money flow? The rest of the world are all working very hard at absorbing knowledge, skills and networking fom each other, why should we ignore them and stick to gazing at our own own navels?

Urmstongran

Not at all MaizieD I can quite understand those who might be affected being very pleased what. I’m just pointing out the other side of the coin here. It won’t register with 99% of Red Wall voters. Believe me.

But why does it matter?

The Brexit issue is no longer something that the vast majority of voters consider terribly important, and frankly as we move closer (which is inevitable) it won’t really touch the sides.

Not at all MaizieD I can quite understand those who might be affected being very pleased what. I’m just pointing out the other side of the coin here. It won’t register with 99% of Red Wall voters. Believe me.

MaizieD

I'm not altogether sure where Erasmus comes in as it is Horizon that we are rejoining.

I find some posters' efforts to typecast the 'working class' as insular and unaspirational very depressing. But I suppose that was the Brexit mentality. 'If we don't want it why should anyone else have it?'

Oh god I’m too tired and getting muddled. Up from 2am with a sick dog - I must stop and get to sleep. Ignore all my posts.

Except to say that my daughter will be very pleased indeed.

Urmstongran

As I say, those it affects or might affect in the future will be delighted.

That's not quite what you said, though .

Maisie, Erasmus came into the thread in the second post.

As I say, those it affects or might affect in the future will be delighted.

Urmstongran

Well we are all entitled to our opinions on this. To some folk it’s relevant. To others (choice or not, it still costs money) not so much.

To be honest we talk about the ‘Westminster Bubble’. I think there’s a ‘GN Bubble’ on here and those folk who are in it are not so aware of life outside of it really. They just view life differently and get excited about things that many others don’t register. At all.

Of course we are all entitled to opinions.

It's just that I don't think that working class people are generally less ambitious for their children/grandchildren than middle class ones. Erasmus wouldn't be top of my list of reasons for rejoining the EU, but having it back would be a plus point if we did go back, IMO.

I'm not altogether sure where Erasmus comes in as it is Horizon that we are rejoining.

I find some posters' efforts to typecast the 'working class' as insular and unaspirational very depressing. But I suppose that was the Brexit mentality. 'If we don't want it why should anyone else have it?'

Urmstongran

Maybe the fact that the EU want the UK to pay around £2 billion for rejoining has something to do with it? I thought the UK was pretty skint. Birmingham Council being a good example ...

Yes, we'll definitely have made a loss on the whole fiasco. The question is when to stop haemorrhaging money and pay up, then re-enter in a worse position than we were. I seem to think that this was predicted at the time of the referendum, though.

Well we are all entitled to our opinions on this. To some folk it’s relevant. To others (choice or not, it still costs money) not so much.

To be honest we talk about the ‘Westminster Bubble’. I think there’s a ‘GN Bubble’ on here and those folk who are in it are not so aware of life outside of it really. They just view life differently and get excited about things that many others don’t register. At all.

Urmstongran

Maybe the fact that the EU want the UK to pay around £2 billion for rejoining has something to do with it? I thought the UK was pretty skint. Birmingham Council being a good example ...

How many free clubs of any quality are you aware of?

Maybe the fact that the EU want the UK to pay around £2 billion for rejoining has something to do with it? I thought the UK was pretty skint. Birmingham Council being a good example ...

I’m not really sure of the point you are making ug there are many people like undergraduates and those working etc who will not take part in the programme and will not be interested, but the choice now will be there, so they will have just that - choice. My cousins daughter - now a qualified doctor took part and thoroughly enjoyed it, my offspring took no part, neither did my nephew -all graduates. My grandson did not have that choice because people like yourself took it away from him, and I suspect he would have been one who would have jumped at the opportunity.

But isn’t it wrong that someone like Braverman, who took part in the Erasmus scheme then supports something that deprives others from taking part in it? Then again, she’s someone who comes from a family of migrants that doesn’t approve of others doing so. It doesn’t make sense to me; depriving others of something that you, yourself, have benefitted from

There are very few apprenticeships nowadays MayBee. Not much out there for the working class lads without A levels. Never mind a degree and Erasmus. As I say the Red Wall won’t be too fussed by this news, trust me.