Is there still a Conservative Party?

lOVELYLADY Please dont vote Labour ,tories in disguise,they fought against paying equal wages for women in Glasgow aided by and funded by the unions .They lie there way through every day in Holyrood and the ONLY labour MP from Scotland in WM regularly dresses in a Union flag SUIT!!
The SNP numbers are on the rise Humza's personal poll shows his popularity up by 12% in the past month .If you can't or wont vote SNP vote Green and help us get the independence we need and deserve .
Scotland WILL flourish on its own ,westminster drags us under with them consistently

lovelylady

You vote for the party that as near as possible matches your values. Look to their manifestos.

Kier Starmer has joined the hate fest by the BOD against Roger Walters. Put it all together and it seems that Keir Starmer – a barrister who was once Director of Public Prosecutions – couldn’t be bothered to gather any evidence and weigh it up.

Perhaps he was busy expelling more Jews from the Labour Party and simply didn’t have the time.

voxpoliticalonline.com/2023/06/08/keir-starmer-signs-up-to-board-of-deputies-hate-campaign-against-roger-waters-strong-language/

Grany

Kier Starmer has joined the hate fest by the BOD against Roger Walters. Put it all together and it seems that Keir Starmer – a barrister who was once Director of Public Prosecutions – couldn’t be bothered to gather any evidence and weigh it up.

Perhaps he was busy expelling more Jews from the Labour Party and simply didn’t have the time.

Haven’t yet bothered to start your own thread I see.

Can’t be bothered? Rather ride on other people’s backs?

Hear Roger Walters video in the link I posted worth a listen tells you the truth of being accused of anti semitism. Starmer we are talking about Labour in this thread has written a letter accusing Roger Walters of anti semitism without hearing evidence of it. This KS is likely next PM make your own mind up what you think

Grany I’ve realised you may not know how to start your own thread? All you need to do is go to the Active Discussions page, click on the bar which says ‘start a new discussion in’, type a heading and what you want to say - and Bob’s your uncle, you’ll have done it.

Oh I’m sorry I apologise grany it hadn’t occurred to me that you may not know how to start your own thread. But honestly it is easy🙂.

he Jewish Labour Movement has written to North East Labour MPs and councillors explaining why it supports the decision not to longlist Driscoll, stating: “We do not believe that Mr Loach’s work should be cancelled… Our core argument is a consistent and historic anti-racist one. We should never lend the credibility and good name of the Labour Party, or the privileged offices we hold, to people who have such views

Thats do sad they would do that Annie. They are Zionists they do not condem what Isreal government are doing to the Palestinians Roger Walters video I posted link to shows him in Isreal seeing up close the Isreal killing murdering Palestinians A huge wall imprisoning them and a road in Palestinian territory only Jews can walk along.

A Zionist believes in the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland . That would include many who disagree with the current Israeli government
I’m English. I loathe my government.

Like many things in our once great country, Conservatism has eroded, to become disfunctional and totally lacking in any sort of positive leadership. And Boris is not it.

Just to interrupt you all slagging each other off I came across this the alternative to The Tories

It’s a free link from the FT Starmers ideas on economics it takes a few seconds to load quite interesting

email.newsletters.ft.com/c/eJyMkcGO1DAQRL8mvjmy23a7ffABCY00Fy7AB9ju9k60M8mQOCD-HrFa4Mr5VZWeVK0Medn2n3mVH8ddxpBdce7Vpw5KskVCgBAhKXmU5X7lnHxxVlrV3hBpzxF0jU50J27gnYSaQN2ySxhiqpjAoJgSpETvEwrFBLUGUUsGA86gIQvGAMzBcGQKyTnvjVQzefNP6pj7mNv2UPd8G-N5TO7DBJcJLtv6Tia4uE-LXOic3OVddnIf_0d3Ajzk5SHreKtEKNyiAe0wie7NibY1sG6l1cA2OSaj7ssxrpzRVkNYCVMwghABsLPBop77xmcb-XiW_VXtmcv3hefjsYzb5E27L71vO_-Gc9vm81Xt8u2Ut02RWLvzVpNNUfsSvKZoRQcXpIbSpKL8iQt_lpW_LI-_XyGAGntZj9LGsq1XzpYEk4GiA8euvbNFEzevXYweKpRgK6jzkP3ruXCOvaCYhNoSBO17J11tAV3JeWJoIRH8CgAA__-NMKd5

Better link with the original piece as well as the critique.

www.ft.com/content/fbc55e2c-6757-4270-af87-88fd39425cb9
www.ft.com/content/e910f8e4-013f-4efb-87a1-770354341d37
There’s no doubt the economic outlook Starmer will inherit is far worse than Blair did, but the ideas are sound and he has probably at least a year to fine tune it.
Just a reminder though, this thread is supposed to be about ‘ Is there still a Conservative Party’, so time would be better spent on why the inheritance for Starmer will be so bleak.

This one comes from the same series, 'The Starmer Project' and is more recent, it's from yesterday.

Written by a different journalist, Chris Giles, and heavily dependent on the 'taxes fund spending' approach, which is the angle that the opposing parties and the nedia will be working from, it is rather less bullish...

I don't know if it's a free link, I'm an FT subscriber so I can access it, but give it a try

www.ft.com/content/e910f8e4-013f-4efb-87a1-770354341d37

This makes my heart sink...

Reeves is clear that “there is not a huge amount of room for manoeuvre”, saying the government cannot simply borrow its way to better public services. “Liz Truss and Kwasi Kwarteng tested to destruction the idea of deficit financed spending, so it is really important we explain where the money is going to come from,” referring to the former prime minister and her chancellor.

In other words, if constrained by the neoliberal economic thinking that's held sway since Thatcher (cut the deficit), Keynesianism (spend out of a depression) we could be in for more austerity... 😒

I just hope that once they're in power they ignore the current 'orthodoxy' and go for it... It worked for the post WW2 Labour government.

I think we've posted the same critique, Casdon

MaizieD

This one comes from the same series, 'The Starmer Project' and is more recent, it's from yesterday.

Written by a different journalist, Chris Giles, and heavily dependent on the 'taxes fund spending' approach, which is the angle that the opposing parties and the nedia will be working from, it is rather less bullish...

I don't know if it's a free link, I'm an FT subscriber so I can access it, but give it a try

www.ft.com/content/e910f8e4-013f-4efb-87a1-770354341d37

This makes my heart sink...

Reeves is clear that “there is not a huge amount of room for manoeuvre”, saying the government cannot simply borrow its way to better public services. “Liz Truss and Kwasi Kwarteng tested to destruction the idea of deficit financed spending, so it is really important we explain where the money is going to come from,” referring to the former prime minister and her chancellor.

In other words, if constrained by the neoliberal economic thinking that's held sway since Thatcher (cut the deficit), Keynesianism (spend out of a depression) we could be in for more austerity... 😒

I just hope that once they're in power they ignore the current 'orthodoxy' and go for it... It worked for the post WW2 Labour government.

Since Rachel Reeves studied and graduated in economics from the LSE and later became an economist at the Bank Of England amongst other jobs, I think she knows what she’s talking about.

Funniest thing in that is Alistair Campbell crediting Starmer with proving the Conservatives are not fit to do the job. Think they managed that one all by themselves!.

Oreo don’t forget that economics is not an exact science. We have economists working for this present government and I would like to know how Rachael Reeves plans to run the economy differently to the current orthodoxy.

ronib

Oreo don’t forget that economics is not an exact science. We have economists working for this present government and I would like to know how Rachael Reeves plans to run the economy differently to the current orthodoxy.

I don't think that she does plan to run it differently. That's what worries me...

Economists may think that it's an exact science, but there a re a number of different schools of thought. Just because one has been predominant for the past 40 years doesn't make it correct. It's the one which gave us the austerity of the Osborne era and which still holds today. Austerity gave us swingeing cuts to government services, for which we are all suffering now.

MaizieD I just had to google - and I found Rachael Reeves had written a policy document in 2018 which isn’t where the economy is now. I don’t know if she has updated her thoughts?

“Reeves is clear that “there is not a huge amount of room for manoeuvre”, saying the government cannot simply borrow its way to better public services.”

My interpretation is that Starmer wants to borrow to stimulate industry to generate more growth to fund improved services.

That was the theme of the Kwarteng policy but he made chaos of the presentation.

grany the Anne Frank Trust has spoken out against Roger Walters

Annie

@Naomi4LabNEC

So the letter from
@Keir_Starmer
saying
@rogerwaters
should be banned is genuine. A Labour Party leader actually said this. I had assumed/hoped it was a fake. Shame, shame, shame.

Roger Waters video speaks up for himself. He is a campaigner against the apartheid state of Israel. The names were all people that have been persecuted suffered fascism which includes Ann Frank.

Pink Floyd sang "We don't need no education", but clearly Roger Waters needs educating about prejudice & antisemitism. It is wildly inappropriate
to misuse Anne Frank's legacy. Here at The Anne Frank Trust, our young people learn from Anne Frank and the Holocaust, empowering them to challenge prejudice. We invite Roger
to meet with us and do the same
AuneKanker