Can a woman have a penis?

FannyCornforth

No, I don’t think that’s what Galaxy means Glorianny
It’s the rigid boundaries of who men and women are expected to appear and behave that we object to.
In today’s culture, children like a young David Jones (Bowie) and (Boy) George O’Dowd would have someone telling them that were trans.

And the rigid expectations of how women should look (especially the pornification of everything) is making girls who don’t adhere to those standards think that they must be trans.

Just because someone tells you you are something doesn't make it true.

Of course the rigid boundaries are wrong.
But this idea that there are men dressing as women to enter women's toilets etc does absolutely nothing to change or alter those restrictions, rather it tightens them. Because women who do look a bit masculine, who are tall, or muscular, or dress slightly differently are getting abuse hurled at them.
This lesbian is being dragged out of a ladies toilet because she looks different and isn't carrying ID to show she is female
www.timesnownews.com/videos/viral-video-lesbian-woman-thrown-out-of-ladies-bathroom-after-being-mistaken-for-a-man-video-100400389

Nothing like this ever helps women.

You may be simple Glorianny, but the only reason males can claim to be ‘women’ is because of a male decision back in 2004.
Because of that we have the ridiculous situation where males can claim to be ‘women’ and by that, misrepresent themselves as female.

If you’re happy with that misrepresentation that’s up to you.

I agree with you that there have always been cross dressers as they were called leading their lives quietly amongst us.

The fact is that now the men who are dressing as women want to be acknowledged as women and are becoming more vocal against anyone who points out that no amount of surgery, lip gloss or posturing constitutes being a natal woman.

Some of them go as far on social media complaining about periods and how they suffer each month, are we (natal women) supposed to go along with them in what is basically a lie or being generous a male fantasy ?

Glorianny

Galaxy

Gender is an oppressive range of stereotypes which cause damage to both men and women, so no I am not going to embrace. I have said this many times.

Maybe it is but it is the world we live in, and it is actually largely responsible for the restrictions and problems women face. It isn't going away so it has to be dealt with.

The main oppressor of women across the world is religion, and guess what the religious leaders are all men…

Rosie51

Sexual reproduction in animals and plants requires a male part fusing with a female part. Nobody asks a cow what their "gender" is, sex is what counts. And woman has always been defined as an adult human female. Show me a dictionary that defined it otherwise more than 10 years ago. What gives men and their support group the right to redefine it?

Nobody as far as I know asks a cow to use a different field to a bull to defecate so it doesn't really matter does it?
Nor do cows and bulls wear clothes so it is easy to distinguish.

Men are not redefining it. People are simply acknowledging that there have always been human beings who have not dressed or presented as the gender they were designated at birth. Those human beings are just being recognised. They have always been there. And there are transmen and transwomen.
So woman is anyone who presents as a woman including transwomen
And man is anyone who presents as a man including transmen
Simples!!

Sorry for all of the typos and syntax errors! I type too fast, I’m impatient

No, I don’t think that’s what Galaxy means Glorianny
It’s the rigid boundaries of who men and women are expected to appear and behave that we object to.
In today’s culture, children like a young David Jones (Bowie) and (Boy) George O’Dowd would have someone telling them that were trans.

And the rigid expectations of how women should look (especially the pornification of everything) is making girls who don’t adhere to those standards think that they must be trans.

Galaxy

Gender is an oppressive range of stereotypes which cause damage to both men and women, so no I am not going to embrace. I have said this many times.

Maybe it is but it is the world we live in, and it is actually largely responsible for the restrictions and problems women face. It isn't going away so it has to be dealt with.

Thanks, GG.

VS. This is a written medium, and people can only go on what we read. We can't see into others' heads to find out what they might have meant - we can only go on what they actually say/write.

You may not have meant your post about dildos in the way it came across, but however much you rant about it, I have not twisted your words. To ensure that I don't do that, I use the quote function - something I try not to overuse as it can be maddening to have whole pages taken up by someone quoting a long post directly above their own.

None of us can know what was in your head when you wrote, but we can all read the words on the page. I have explained why I was 'triggered' by it. I possibly would just have rolled my eyes at the childish 'humour', and 'wink wink' mentality had it not been for my friend's experience; but knowing how traumatised she was/is by what happened I could not. I don't care if you report me, as you often do when people call you out on things. I have more faith in GNHQ than to think that they can't see what happened and that whatever you may have meant, what you actually said was offensive.

GrannyGravy13 and Doodledog

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Another good post Doodledog

I will repeat my question from earlier, and add another one - not that I expect an answer to either:

(i) Can you have a male woman and a female man?

(ii) If so, when did this radical shift in the language take place, and who was responsible for its imposition?

As we know, language changes over time. Sometimes it is because an existing word is given a new meaning by a pressure group and that meaning is adopted by the population (eg gay?). Sometimes words are misused by mistake and it happens so often that the 'wrong' usage is normalised (eg 'hysterical' is now used to mean 'hilarious'), and sometimes usage from other English speaking countries creeps in (eg 'Uni' or 'different to' instead of 'University' and 'different from'). In all of those cases, there will be hard-liners who insist that the older usage is 'correct' (I cringe at both 'Uni' and 'different to' ) but on the whole the battle is lost - the majority of people are happy with (or indifferent to) the change.

I would put good money, however, on the fact that if a representative sample of the public were asked about whether the idea of male women and female men constituted correct usage of the language they would disagree (probably snorting with derision). This is not something that has been agreed, that has evolved, or that has been imported (unless coming from through the looking glass counts). It is a minority usage based on a minority viewpoint, and has been imposed rather than negotiated (if indeed it is in current usage at all). The question is, who has imposed it, with what authority, and most importantly, WHY?

Very apt GrannyGravy.

To learn who rules over you, just find out who you cannot criticise

Voltaire

Yet again men are dictating who is a woman

VS
If you believe I have lied, show me where.

I didn’t say you had lied.
I asked you whether you could verify your statements, showing they were true and not misrepresentations.

The option was then with you-to verify your statements or to be unable to provide verification that what you said was true.
Report away. I remember being warned.

Galaxy

Gender is an oppressive range of stereotypes which cause damage to both men and women, so no I am not going to embrace. I have said this many times.

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Amen to that

Why more people can’t see it baffles me.
What’s happening now regarding gender stereotypes is a totally retrograde step

Gender is an oppressive range of stereotypes which cause damage to both men and women, so no I am not going to embrace. I have said this many times.

Rosie51

Sexual reproduction in animals and plants requires a male part fusing with a female part. Nobody asks a cow what their "gender" is, sex is what counts. And woman has always been defined as an adult human female. Show me a dictionary that defined it otherwise more than 10 years ago. What gives men and their support group the right to redefine it?

Well said. You won’t get an answer though. We never do.

Also look into parthenogenisis (I think it's called)

The world is a strange and interesting place

I just use woman

and also trans woman

Both she/her

Sexual reproduction in animals and plants requires a male part fusing with a female part. Nobody asks a cow what their "gender" is, sex is what counts. And woman has always been defined as an adult human female. Show me a dictionary that defined it otherwise more than 10 years ago. What gives men and their support group the right to redefine it?

Glorianny

Rosie51

Glorianny

Rosie51

VioletSky I wonder if you missed my post at 18:14:30? I tried to explain why saying a woman can have a penis renders the word woman meaningless. Can you think of a word that like cow, ewe or hen in the animal kingdom defines the human adult female?

But a transman can have something they call a penis Rosie51. Now I realise that doesn't fit in with the strange philosophy that transwomen are somehow something completely separate and the two things must never be mentioned.
But it does rather make the question ridiculous as was explained on page1.
If you think a transman is a woman and they have an operation they will have something they call a penis. You may nt like that idea but it is logical.

I was rather surprised that on page 1 you classified a woman who has a rolled up bit of flesh grafted onto her vulva as a woman with a penis. I thought you belonged to the group that believed transmen are men? Would you say to a transman that she's a woman with a penis? Thought not so your argument doesn't quite stand up. I think transmen are women who live and present as men. They aren't men and the few that undergo phalloplasty don't have a penis, they have a construction that may look approximately like one.
As you chose to address my post, can you tell me what the word that exclusively describes and denotes an adult human female is? I presume you don't think ewe, cow and hen are open categories for both sexes of animal?

Of course I wouldn't Rosie51 I'm quite happy to say a transman is a man and may have a penis. Just as I think a transwomen is a woman and may have a penis.
It's quite logical.
I don't know how many times I need to say that woman is a gender term. That I have no idea of the sexual organs of most of the women I meet and that I don't want or need to know.
If ever it does become necessary to expose our sexual organs to pass as a woman I suppose I might have to rethink.
Meantime I shall watch those vainly trying to reject the idea and trying to justify and explain conflicting views with interest.
The explanation now seems to be that because you don't think it is a penis a transman can't have one. I would have imagined that the views of the person you regard as a woman would count, but apparently not.
By the way the clue is in the word-"phalloplasty" the creation of a phallus.

You quite clearly said on page one that if a woman aka a female human has a pretend penis sewn to her vulva that is a woman with a penis That you now try to obfuscate that is really very telling!!!
I can create a phallus out of plasticine but it is no more a phallus than a bit of arm flesh sewn on to a vulva.

Doodledog
If 'woman' is a gender term, what is the word for someone born female, with female hormones, XX chromosomes and a female body? I must have asked this question more than a dozen times. If the best they can come up with is 'female' then why are cows, ewes, hens just not referred to as female. FFS even flowers have male and female parts that are given specific names. Seems only humans mustn't have a specific word for adult females. How very revealing. Because to have a specific word would crumble their wobbly edifice.

Absolutely not. A hermaphrodite is a special case )or intersex person). Chromosomes are what define your sex and gender. On the other hand you do you, and if you want to be defined as a horse that’s fine, just don’t expect me to go along with your delusion.

Is that comment to me Mollygo

If you believe I have lied, show me where

If you are going to misrepresent me I will report it

I've had enough now and get accused of reporting anyway so may as well

And still the claims you made earlier go unvalidated. Is that because they were lies, or misrepresentations and can’t be validated?