I’m not counting my chickens

I am fortunate, the strongest opposition in our area is Lib Dems, but my dislike of Labour is as visceral as my dislike of the Conservatives. I could never bring myself to vote for either

A curse on both their houses.

That’s what several of us have posted

Iam64

MayBee70 hence my question to Grany. Any vote that lets a Tory in worries me. I don’t understand how a left leaning voter could do anything other than vote tactically to get them out. Look at the state of the nhs and public services and do anything but keep them out

Indeed. Hence the need for an alliance, if not a full one- a tactical voting one.

Nightowl, we have a local candidate, a neighbour, someone I know and like. Her husband a teacher in a local high school, they have a baby and really understand the issues. Fingers crossed she wins it back from the Tory. I’m taking nothing for granted. I’d welcome a move to PR of sone kind. It feels wrong that we can end up with a government the majority didn’t vote for

Iam I agree with many of your points. I too will vote Labour, because we at last have a local candidate, prepared to act for the constituency and a good friend of my husband so I feel confident that he is genuine and honourable (although they disagree strongly on many points of Labour policy).

But I am drawn to the Greens and I have made no secret of the fact that I am disillusioned with the current LP so I will watch with interest. Our prospective GP candidate is also local but my primary motivation at the next election will be to get rid of our current non-local useless MP and this dreadful government.

MayBee70

I’m just worried that a lot of people will vote for the Green Party as a sort of protest vote against the government and all it will do is stop the Labour Party from forming the next government. Just as many people voted for Brexit as a protest against the government even though many of them were the very people that benefitted most from being in the EU.

I don’t see that happening, what I see is a rise in Lib Dem seats in the south Tory heartlands. I don’t think the Greens will get more than 5 seats, I’d be surprised if they get that many. Most seats in England will be a straight Tory/Labour or Tory/Lib Dem fight. Reform seem to have faded into oblivion.

MayBee70 hence my question to Grany. Any vote that lets a Tory in worries me. I don’t understand how a left leaning voter could do anything other than vote tactically to get them out. Look at the state of the nhs and public services and do anything but keep them out

I’m just worried that a lot of people will vote for the Green Party as a sort of protest vote against the government and all it will do is stop the Labour Party from forming the next government. Just as many people voted for Brexit as a protest against the government even though many of them were the very people that benefitted most from being in the EU.

Good point nightowl.

I will vote Labour, because I’m in a red wall constituency where the Tory majority is just less than 400. I’d vote Lib Dem if they were most likely to beat a conservative. I’ve voted green in local elections.
It’s good to see the Greens getting positive attention. I’d prefer a Labour majority next time but would like to see a move to proportional representation.

Let’s be honest Iam, most people’s views/ posts are entirely predictable on these threads and the threads do become a bit like Groundhog Day, with personal insults thrown in. I decided a long time ago to largely avoid them for that reason.

I think the local elections demonstrated an increase in support for the Greens, and it has been noted that they may be attracting not only young people who care about the environment but also socialists who feel disenfranchised by the current Labour Party. It will be interesting to see whether this translates to votes in the general election.

As far as I can see Iam64 there is not much choice between tory or Labour. I will vote Greens. I have always voted Labour.

Grany your views are so predictable.

Which party will you vote for? It sounds as if like many people who repeat your views, as though you’d prefer tories

Yes VP correct 👏 what does it say about Starmer though he is still a liar. And he said let the law bed in about new public order act. Like those arrested, detained for 16 hours, had to bed in

Thanks Casdon. One can always tell Grany’s own style …

Germanshepherdsmum

I get the impression that Grany is quoting that from somewhere. I dread to think where it comes from.

Yes, copy from Vox Political. I’ve told Grany numerous times about crediting her sources.

I get the impression that Grany is quoting that from somewhere. I dread to think where it comes from.

Corbyn centre left ? 😀

Starmer reckons that the new polices aren't very different to the pledges he abandoned. Liar?
The polices which he was elected on were a continuation of Jeremy Corbyn's centre-left socialism, while his current plans mark a shift to right-wing neoliberalism.
Think about the NHS before he was preaching about a fully publicly-owned service, now he wants to infect it with ever more corporate profiteering.
He is saying he wants to stimulate the economy with lower taxes 🙄 we all know that didn't work so well for Liz Truss crashed the economy.

Taxes are not at an all-time high.
Corporation tax, Capital Gains Tax, and the top rate of Income Tax are all lower than they were 40 years ago.

He is not to be trusted.

In 2015 he campaigned against Isreal racism. Now he is a stanch ally of that country's government.

He even lies about lying.

nanna8

A better opposition leader would be good. Be careful what you wish for.

I think the problem has been having a bad opposition leader for years, who also filled the front benches with his supporters and sidelined all of the experienced MP’s . We now, imo have a very good one. It’s always dangerous to have a weak opposition

Election Maps UK

Councillors:

🌹 LAB: 2,675 (+537)
🌳 CON: 2,296 (-1,063)
🔶 LDM: 1,628 (+407)
🏘️ IND/LOC: 967 (-101)
🌍 GRN: 481 (+241)
➡️ RFM: 6 (+2)
📙 LIB: 4 (+2)
💷 UKIP: 0 (-25)

Councils:

🌹 LAB: 72 (+22)
🌳 CON: 33 (-48)
🔶 LDM: 29 (+12)
🏘️ IND/LOC: 4 (+1)

Other parties and some in Labour are urging starner to say he would repeal the public order act Labour are not saying.

A better opposition leader would be good. Be careful what you wish for.

Which is why - unlike the more sensible approach in Europe, we pay so much more for our energy.

ronib

The type of fictional rabbit that might be pulled and this is a complete guess, so with apologies….. a massage of the rate of inflation which by some fluke makes everyone suddenly feel better off. It’s the way Jeremy Hunt refers to the rate of inflation which makes me suspicious.
Does feel as if he’s addressing the primary school assembly too.

I think that you're right in that Sunak and Hunt are banking on people thinking that a reduced rate of inflation will mean that the cost of living will come down. And that tory policy has caused the reduction.

This is, of course, utter nonsense. All that the inflation rate measures is the difference between prices at two given moments in time. A falling inflation rate just means that prices haven't increased so fast in the given period. NOT that prices themselves have been reduced.

The only way that the government could have any effect on prices would be to introduce price controls. Which the tories are never likely to do as it interferes with 'the market'.

The Tories have been almost wiped off our council by the greens. This is truly a vote on local issues - the felling of trees, uprooting hedges and generally laying waste our green spaces. All this despite huge local protests.

They rode rough shod over local opinion.

How this will translate in the GE I’m not sure but there’s a grear dislike and distrust of all things Tory now.