Rotten pork

Buy British every time! Simples.

So what does your diet consist of?

Germanshepherdsmum

Everybody who buys factory farmed food fuels the demand for it.
Perhaps you should consult a nutritionist. Btw I didn’t only mention vegan, I mentioned vegetarian as well - and fish.

I don't need to consult a nutritionist. I already know it's very difficult and that there are no real answers.

Incidentally, I said "unprocessed". Tofu and oat milk are highly processed.

PPS. Eggs, cheese, milk and yoghurt have all rocketed in price recently.

Until a few months ago, my weekly food budget was £20 and I stuck to it rigidly. I aim to eat no more than 50g of carbs a day and usually keep to my limit. That's about 20% of the amount most adults eat, so I have to get my energy from protein and healthy fats. Most veggie diets are high in pasta, rice, bread, pastry, etc, none of which I eat except on the odd occasion.

PS. I don't need to "tolerate" fish - I like it as it is, but it's expensive.

All contain carbs Norah!

And how many mushrooms would I have to eat to get adequate energy!

I don't eat tofu anyway.

PS. Salmon is expensive.

Meat is the most efficient way of obtaining protein without carbs.

growstuff

Germanshepherdsmum

If ‘standard’ chicken and pork are, as I think likely, factory farmed, I would rather not eat them. I only buy free range (even for my dog). Meat isn’t essential to a healthy human diet.

So what low carb unprocessed food would you suggest as an alternative for adequate protein and calories?

Nuts, tofu, pulses, chickpeas (garbanzos), lentils, nut butters, oat milk, spinach, kale, avocado, mushrooms.

If vegetarian add: eggs, cheese, dairy.

If pescatarian add: salmon or any other tolerable fish.

To tolerate fish make sweet red chili sauce, pesto, mint cilantro chutney.

Everybody who buys factory farmed food fuels the demand for it.
Perhaps you should consult a nutritionist. Btw I didn’t only mention vegan, I mentioned vegetarian as well - and fish.

Or dairy products?

PS. Have you actually looked at the price of fish recently?

No, it won't! I've spent ages researching it. It's extremely difficult to eat a low carb vegan diet. No book or website can come up with any answers.

What a strange comment about fuelling the demand for factory farming! Nobody's suggesting you are.

I’m sure you can look that up growstuff. A vegetarian or vegan cookbook will tell you all you need to know. That, and fish, is what I would resort to were I unable to afford free range meat and eggs. I’m not here to fuel the demand for the products of factory farming.

Germanshepherdsmum

If ‘standard’ chicken and pork are, as I think likely, factory farmed, I would rather not eat them. I only buy free range (even for my dog). Meat isn’t essential to a healthy human diet.

So what low carb unprocessed food would you suggest as an alternative for adequate protein and calories?

If ‘standard’ chicken and pork are, as I think likely, factory farmed, I would rather not eat them. I only buy free range (even for my dog). Meat isn’t essential to a healthy human diet.

Whitewavemark2

Katie59

Pasture for Life is clearly a brand all producers adopt common standards a use the logo.
Organic is very similar and I asked the question why be separate. I know a lot of farmers have given up organic it works if you are rich, King Charles, Chatsworth or Daylesford, if you have to pay a commercial rent or have a mortgage you won’t pay the bills.

The organic offering in Waitrose is pretty poor why anyone would pay double for poorer quality beats me, because of that there is a lot of wastage too

I buy my organic grass fed free range meat direct from the farmer.

You will never taste better meat, which cooks superbly. As long as I am able I will never buy any other meat.

We eat all types of meat but only every three days in order to mitigate the expense. The next day is fish of all varieties and the next is vegetarian and occasionally vegan if the recipe looks good.

Eating therefore a very wide variety of all foods.

Fine! I can't afford premium meat and want to know that my supermarket meat isn't going to poison me. Buying from farm shops isn't a solution for most people.

Norah

Katie59

The Vegetarian Society claim 4.5% of the population are veggies with maybe 1% vegan, that fine by me it’s their choice.
So it’s clear that 95% of the population prefer a mixed diet.

What I dislike is being told how bad I am for eating meat, that they are superior because they don’t, or is it just virtue signaling.

We're vegan. I don't find being vegan virtuous, or superior. However, it is far cheaper and I dislike meat.

Nor do I find meat eating 'bad' other than for my health.

Opinions vary.

I guess it depends on your health. Eating carbs (not just obvious sugars) is bad for my health. All vegetables and fruits are made up of carbs and I rarely eat anything made with flour or grains, so it's difficult to achieve a healthy low carb vegan diet. Meat has no carbs.

I buy standard chicken and pork for everyday use when I want lamb or beef it’s the farm shop and choose the joint I like, quality meat is not going to be cheap.
Pasture fed is a good concept, although there are not enough differences from conventionally reared cattle to be widely adopted.

Oh and zero wastage - not sure why you say that there is a lot of wastage.

This weekend we are eating leg of lamb - sufficient for 10 people. Absolutely nothing will be wasted.. In fact front bell has just rung and meat for the next month has arrived.

Katie59

Pasture for Life is clearly a brand all producers adopt common standards a use the logo.
Organic is very similar and I asked the question why be separate. I know a lot of farmers have given up organic it works if you are rich, King Charles, Chatsworth or Daylesford, if you have to pay a commercial rent or have a mortgage you won’t pay the bills.

The organic offering in Waitrose is pretty poor why anyone would pay double for poorer quality beats me, because of that there is a lot of wastage too

I buy my organic grass fed free range meat direct from the farmer.

You will never taste better meat, which cooks superbly. As long as I am able I will never buy any other meat.

We eat all types of meat but only every three days in order to mitigate the expense. The next day is fish of all varieties and the next is vegetarian and occasionally vegan if the recipe looks good.

Eating therefore a very wide variety of all foods.

Katie59

The Vegetarian Society claim 4.5% of the population are veggies with maybe 1% vegan, that fine by me it’s their choice.
So it’s clear that 95% of the population prefer a mixed diet.

What I dislike is being told how bad I am for eating meat, that they are superior because they don’t, or is it just virtue signaling.

We're vegan. I don't find being vegan virtuous, or superior. However, it is far cheaper and I dislike meat.

Nor do I find meat eating 'bad' other than for my health.

Opinions vary.

The Vegetarian Society claim 4.5% of the population are veggies with maybe 1% vegan, that fine by me it’s their choice.
So it’s clear that 95% of the population prefer a mixed diet.

What I dislike is being told how bad I am for eating meat, that they are superior because they don’t, or is it just virtue signaling.

I'm sure there are all sorts of discussions to be had about more sustainable farming methods and the way animals are kept. However, consumers have to pay a premium or cut down on meat consumption and I don't think cost should be the main reason people cut down on/give up meat. For many people, paying more for meat isn't an option. The argument about meat consumption shouldn't detract from the different issue of all meat products (even the very cheapest ones) being safe to eat.

M0nica

Norah Do you not have any curiosity aboutpeople who live differently to you, I am consumed with an endless curiousty about everything, so i do look at the range of foods for people with different lives to mine. There is so much fake meat available - and shops wouldn't stock it, if there was not the demand.

As for beef, buy Pasture for Life beef and you are buying meat that is environmentally neutral and this method of farming can be carbon positive because the farming methods used can lead to cattle contributing to carbon sequestration.

No curiosity at all about the store shops of other people, not my business. The meat alternatives I have seen and tried a few times are typically lower in fat, higher in protein than meat, I do assume there is demand.

We find vegan healthier and better. Others prefer meat.

During a sustainable farm lecture series we heard about PfL beef. Interesting concept, nice idea I'd think. Not even near carbon neutral. I believe I heard that part of the rather large annual GHG emission from grazing cows can perhaps be lowered by this system of feeding on pastures/clover added.

Looking at a few PfL sellers, mostly farm shops, they claim to be more “natural” than organic, who can feed up to 40% of the diet grain.