Polarisation of society

Dinahmo
December 21st 2019

Chinese epidemiologists with the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention published an article on 20th January 2020 stating that the first cluster of patients with ‘pneumonia of an unknown cause’ had been identified on 21st December 2019

Only heard if covid end of 2019

Dinahmo
December 21st 2019

Chinese epidemiologists with the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention published an article on 20th January 2020 stating that the first cluster of patients with ‘pneumonia of an unknown cause’ had been identified on 21st December 2019

Only first heard of Covid end 2019

Thank you for correcting me. It's old age getting the better of me. Memory beginning to fail.

Thats ok Dinahmo I had to check when Covid first hit and lock down. So Giving Evidence was correct 2019 Charities don't benefit from royal patronage. And royals don't do many engagements. They don't work hard should get an elected Head of State who will.

Israel practices apartheid, say Israelis. That creates a problem for Kier Starmer who has practically built his career on supporting Israel. He believes that antizionism is antisemitism and that Israel is not an racist apartheid state. He is wrong on both accounts. He says he disagrees with Amnesty International for labelling Israel an apartheid state.

The labour leader has chosen to ignore the racism apartheid and ethnic cleansing being committed Zionists, and instead speaks out against a human rights organisation.

Clip shown on twitter
Will he change his mind doubt it if he can't get a clue from clips like shown of Israeli occupation forces assault a Palistinian woman and her daughter at a military checkpoint in Bethlehem.

If you are interested in politics in this country then watch Kier Starmer & The Establishment Coup from Double Down News
m.youtube.com/watch?v=mDaY6K5A2ql

Grany

If you are interested in politics in this country then watch Kier Starmer & The Establishment Coup from Double Down News
m.youtube.com/watch?v=mDaY6K5A2ql

Grany that video seems to have disappeared. The power of Israel?
There is a rather outlandish theory that Starmer is a right wing plant put there to make sure any Labour government stayed firmly to the right. I don't believe it. But some of his views on Israel and Palestine make me wonder about him sometimes.
The apartheid state is completely unacceptable.

Gloriyanny I can't you my ipad for Gransnet the new cheapo ipad keeps loading and unloading the page so I use iPhone sometimes to post and couldn't copy link to video. The video untittled Exposed. Kier Starmer & The Establisment Coup. From Double Down News on YouTube. He does seem very establishment and authoritarian I though the video summed him up pretty well. See what you think

Grany

Gloriyanny I can't you my ipad for Gransnet the new cheapo ipad keeps loading and unloading the page so I use iPhone sometimes to post and couldn't copy link to video. The video untittled Exposed. Kier Starmer & The Establisment Coup. From Double Down News on YouTube. He does seem very establishment and authoritarian I though the video summed him up pretty well. See what you think

Thanks Grany I found it. It paints a worse picture of Starmer than I had imagined. It seems that the only real hope for ordinary people now lies outside the Labour party with organisations like the Unions.
I seem to remember reading that Claire Short had joined the retired branch of one (possibly UNITE?)

I do think though that all the lies that Keir Starmer has told could easily rebound on him during the next election campaign. There are so many videos of him saying one thing and so many of him saying the opposite that can be played together.
Rishi Sunak is making some headway towards appearing as an honest and stable P. M. after the last two, I really don't think a win for Keir Starmer is neccessarily a given.

I agree Glorianny that the best hope for ordinary people to earn a decent living lies with the unions. Or even with celebrities like Carol Vorderman and Fergal Sharkey and Marcus Rashford who seem to care more about honesty and social justice than do the current Labour leadership.

Yes Glorianny and Ilovecheese agree ordinary people are looking outside the Labour Party at organisation's like unions. I think Clare Short said she has joined a union, on Not The Andrew Marr Show YouTube video.

There are also other progressive political parties for disillusioned Labor Party supporters to consider.

www.libdems.org.uk/

varian

There are also other progressive political parties for disillusioned Labor Party supporters to consider.

www.libdems.org.uk/

Sorry I fell for them when Tony Blair went into an illegal war. They massively failed to deliver their promises and then went into coalition . Never again.

Ilovecheese

I do think though that all the lies that Keir Starmer has told could easily rebound on him during the next election campaign. There are so many videos of him saying one thing and so many of him saying the opposite that can be played together.
Rishi Sunak is making some headway towards appearing as an honest and stable P. M. after the last two, I really don't think a win for Keir Starmer is neccessarily a given.

Oh, I bet there are . If I worked for the Tories, and had access to vast amounts of footage I could make a video cut so that anyone in the public eye was made to look duplicitous.

If I couldn't manage to shake off their reputation for being a party of heartless liars (on account of it being incredibly difficult to deny), at least I'd get people saying that 'they are all the same', which would be something of a result.

I see the Tories have a new broadcast about their 'Five Priorities'. Remind you of anything? The difference between a priority and a promise, of course, is that one can be held to account and the other can't. And one of the 'priorities' is 'We Will Halve Inflation'. As though the government set the inflation rate. It's so manipulative.

Beware, the Tories are getting clever - most Tory MP's have removed the word "Conservative" from their Twitter pages, for example Michael Fabricant's bio reads

"Socially liberal MP for Lichfield"

The other thing they are doing - remember when the elections came around, you would get at least 3 different leaflets, one blue one from the Conservative Party, one red one from Labour, and possibly a yellow/orange one from the Liberals ...? Well the new Conservative ones are GREEN., and they do NOT mention anywhere on there that they are Conservatives! Clever eh?

Glorianny

varian

There are also other progressive political parties for disillusioned Labor Party supporters to consider.

www.libdems.org.uk/

Sorry I fell for them when Tony Blair went into an illegal war. They massively failed to deliver their promises and then went into coalition . Never again.

The junior partner in a coalition is never able to deliver all their own policies but must bargain to do as much good as it can. The concession on student fees was very painful but the trade-off was implimentation of the LibDem policy of pupil premium which still stands and helps many schools in deprived areas.

There are ,many other examples of the LibDems in coalition pushing good policies through _ especially in environment and mitigating climate change and restraining or preventing the worst Tory policies.

You only have to look at the disastrous unrestrained Tory governments we have had since 2015 to realise that the LibDems were indeed a force for good.

I had one of those green Conservative flyers through the door a few days ago for the forthcoming local election. I was surprised because the candidate is a staunch and vocal Conservative. I thought that maybe he was standing as an independent, so I checked online and he's still standing for the Conservative Party.

varian

Glorianny

varian

There are also other progressive political parties for disillusioned Labor Party supporters to consider.

www.libdems.org.uk/

Sorry I fell for them when Tony Blair went into an illegal war. They massively failed to deliver their promises and then went into coalition . Never again.

The junior partner in a coalition is never able to deliver all their own policies but must bargain to do as much good as it can. The concession on student fees was very painful but the trade-off was implimentation of the LibDem policy of pupil premium which still stands and helps many schools in deprived areas.

There are ,many other examples of the LibDems in coalition pushing good policies through _ especially in environment and mitigating climate change and restraining or preventing the worst Tory policies.

You only have to look at the disastrous unrestrained Tory governments we have had since 2015 to realise that the LibDems were indeed a force for good.

They had a choice, they chose the right. The exact opposite of the promises they had been making. You can't crow about the little things you manage whilst you watch the system being dismantled, a process you chose to support

Glorianny

Grany

If you are interested in politics in this country then watch Kier Starmer & The Establishment Coup from Double Down News
m.youtube.com/watch?v=mDaY6K5A2ql

Grany that video seems to have disappeared. The power of Israel?
There is a rather outlandish theory that Starmer is a right wing plant put there to make sure any Labour government stayed firmly to the right. I don't believe it. But some of his views on Israel and Palestine make me wonder about him sometimes.
The apartheid state is completely unacceptable.

Keir Starmer wanted to rightly rid the Labour Party of as much anti-Semitism as he could after taking office.I think he has mainly succeeded.As an intelligent person he realises that the two sides, Israel and Palestine will need a political compromise by both sides.
Jeremy Corbyn was entirely one sided in this case btw. Which resulted in anti-Semitism growing in the far left of the Party.

Oreo

Glorianny

Grany

If you are interested in politics in this country then watch Kier Starmer & The Establishment Coup from Double Down News
m.youtube.com/watch?v=mDaY6K5A2ql

Grany that video seems to have disappeared. The power of Israel?
There is a rather outlandish theory that Starmer is a right wing plant put there to make sure any Labour government stayed firmly to the right. I don't believe it. But some of his views on Israel and Palestine make me wonder about him sometimes.
The apartheid state is completely unacceptable.

Keir Starmer wanted to rightly rid the Labour Party of as much anti-Semitism as he could after taking office.I think he has mainly succeeded.As an intelligent person he realises that the two sides, Israel and Palestine will need a political compromise by both sides.
Jeremy Corbyn was entirely one sided in this case btw. Which resulted in anti-Semitism growing in the far left of the Party.

Oreo you do realise that Starmer has thrown out of the Labour party many Jewish members. This is never mentioned in the press. Amnesty International has declared Israel an apartheid state. Israel has no intention of reaching a compromise, Palestinians are being denied basic human rights. Many Jewish people disagree with the policies being pursued in Israel. Anti-semitism has nothing to do with it.

growstuff

Trees for schools would have been a great idea! And would almost certainly outlive Charles and any picture of him.

... a project that Charles might well have endorsed, too!

Well said Glorianny