Gary Lineker's tweet

I’ve just seen this. Oh, the irony 🙄

FannyCornforth

Doodledog

Lineker signed a contract in 2020 which covered the use of social media, which he knew when he tweeted he was breaking that clause.
Do you have a link to that contract, please? Of just the clause?

The freelance IT expert Will Guyatt, who works with the BBC advising them on their social media policies, has said that it’s a case of ‘they make (them) up as the go along’.

Does that mean that there is a clause or there isn't? I'm not picking at anyone on here, but if there is such a clause it makes a huge difference, IMO. I watched the interview with Tim Davie on Laura K this morning, and I don't remember mention of a clause, which is why I am asking.

FannyCornforth

I’ve just seen this. Oh, the irony 🙄

FC that would be really funny if it wasn't so twisted.
Down the rabbit hole we go!!!!!

There is no clause. I have seen the wording. (can’t do links)

Oh, sorry, I don’t know Doodledog
I just thought that I’d mention what I’d heard ‘from the horse’s mouth’, in that, from what I can make of it, it’s probably a huge mess.

Contrary to what I thought at the start of this debate , I now doubt if Lineker did break any terms of his contract

Whitewavemark2

There is no clause. I have seen the wording. (can’t do links)

This is what I understood. And would be very grateful if someone could link to the words of te contract. Please.

Glorianny

It is a totally weird world when the people speaking up for free speech are sports presenters. They seem to have formed a united support group for Lineker. Arguably they are simply putting into practice Lord Reith's three purposes for the BBC "Inform, educate, entertain."

It's not all that "weird". Hitler used the 1936 Olympics to promote the ideas of both racial supremacy and anti-Semitism.

Simply by daring to go and then winning four gold medals I would say a sports person - Jesse Owens - declared his freedom, and that of others being demonised, very loudly.

I will try and find it and cut and paste if it is a reasonable thing to do.

Freya5

I'm sure you, as most other reasonable people, have read between the lines as to what Lineker was referring to, crafty little swine, must have had lawyer input before he yet again opened his mouth. What was going on in Germany in the 30s was beyond horror, to infer a Democratically elected Gov, and therefore the electorate, be compared to the National Socialist party, eg Nazis, is despicable.

Do you ever see the need for the truth in your posts? This is the very opposite of that.

Still looking for the details - but it has occurred to me that Andrew Neil, who was a political commentator in the BBC for years, was never prevented from commenting on either social - always a right wing supporter - media or in the New Statesman.

It really is a nonsense you know.

MerylStreep

A Radio 4 presenter has just cut into his programme to announce the viewing figures for last nights football on the BBC. The figures were up 😂

Well of course they were. Everyone was dying to know what it would look like with no live people in it.

If you think it's because of people hating commentary and discussion more than they love it, so taking advantage of 'silent' highlights, I suspect you are very much mistaken.

Forsythia

Gary Lineker was a footballer turned TV pundit. There are many of those quietly getting on with their jobs that they are paid to do.

Gary has always been arrogant thinking he is better than the rest. This is what happens when they are given big contracts, huge money and allowed to believe they are indispensable. The way forward is a rolling one year contract. If it works, continue it for another year. If it doesn’t, there are many retired players and managers who would give their views on FOOTBALL on TV and be glad to do so without controversy.

Gary should disinherit his 4 sons and put his money where his big mouth is and house numerous refugee families, not one carefully handpicked person for a few weeks, and let’s see what happens.

Rod Stewart put his money where his mouth was. He paid for people’s scans on the NHS but did not bad mouth anybody while doing it. Saintly Gary could learn from him.

Let’s see big mouth Gary Neville turn his hotel over to refugees too.

I didn't know we had Sun Journalists posting on Gnet

Whitewavemark2

Still looking for the details - but it has occurred to me that Andrew Neil, who was a political commentator in the BBC for years, was never prevented from commenting on either social - always a right wing supporter - media or in the New Statesman.

It really is a nonsense you know.

He had an apartment at Trump towers I believe?

MaizieD

MerylStreep
A Radio 4 presenter has just cut into his programme to announce the viewing figures for last nights football on the BBC. The figures were up 😂
Well of course they were. Everyone was dying to know what it would look like with no live people in it.

If you think it's because of people hating commentary and discussion more than they love it, so taking advantage of 'silent' highlights, I suspect you are very much mistaken.
I suspect you are right.

Nevertheless it made MotD much more acceptable for DH, me and, I suspect others who find the interminable waffling unnecessary.

MayBee70

Whitewavemark2

Still looking for the details - but it has occurred to me that Andrew Neil, who was a political commentator in the BBC for years, was never prevented from commenting on either social - always a right wing supporter - media or in the New Statesman.

It really is a nonsense you know.

He had an apartment at Trump towers I believe?

He owned an apartment on the 78th floor of Trump Towers, Fifth Avenue, he also has a home in London however, he is a resident of the South of France.

Are people now guilty by default of their address?

Mollygo

MaizieD

MerylStreep
A Radio 4 presenter has just cut into his programme to announce the viewing figures for last nights football on the BBC. The figures were up 😂
Well of course they were. Everyone was dying to know what it would look like with no live people in it.

If you think it's because of people hating commentary and discussion more than they love it, so taking advantage of 'silent' highlights, I suspect you are very much mistaken.
I suspect you are right.

Nevertheless it made MotD much more acceptable for DH, me and, I suspect others who find the interminable waffling unnecessary.

Record it then fast forward through the bits you don't want.

GrannyGravy13

MayBee70

Whitewavemark2

Still looking for the details - but it has occurred to me that Andrew Neil, who was a political commentator in the BBC for years, was never prevented from commenting on either social - always a right wing supporter - media or in the New Statesman.

It really is a nonsense you know.

He had an apartment at Trump towers I believe?

He owned an apartment on the 78th floor of Trump Towers, Fifth Avenue, he also has a home in London however, he is a resident of the South of France.

Are people now guilty by default of their address?

Of course they are GrannyGravy, but then you always have been. You're guilty too, if you live in a council house (or have bought it), or on the newbuild estate (^have you seen what they cost!^) up the road.

I am beginning to think this country is governed by gossip and not by those with real talent to run it.

It’s interesting to watch the row back on this. Jeremy Hunt said he ‘profoundly disagrees’ with Lineker’s views:

‘But today, Mr Hunt appeared to row back from demanding that Lineker apologise.
"If you believe in BBC independence, then it's not for the chancellor or any other government minister to say how these issues are resolved," he said.
Mr Hunt added: "The central thing that people want to know is that there isn't any kind of political agenda in the way the BBC goes about its business, which I'm not saying there is, but that is the confidence people need to have."’
(Sky News)

My money is on there having been initial government interference, but now they have realised the public isn’t with them, it’s backfired so they are rowing back as quickly as they can.

DaisyAnne

GrannyGravy13

MayBee70

Whitewavemark2

Still looking for the details - but it has occurred to me that Andrew Neil, who was a political commentator in the BBC for years, was never prevented from commenting on either social - always a right wing supporter - media or in the New Statesman.

It really is a nonsense you know.

He had an apartment at Trump towers I believe?

He owned an apartment on the 78th floor of Trump Towers, Fifth Avenue, he also has a home in London however, he is a resident of the South of France.

Are people now guilty by default of their address?

Of course they are GrannyGravy, but then you always have been. You're guilty too, if you live in a council house (or have bought it), or on the newbuild estate (^have you seen what they cost!^) up the road.

I am beginning to think this country is governed by gossip and not by those with real talent to run it.

You may think that, others may not.

If it is deemed acceptable for governmental ministers to use words like "swarm" and "invasion" to refer to migrants, then I think it is incumbent on those who do not want to see people demonised to challenge such statements.

The comparison with the language used in Germany in the lead up to increasing repressive and aggressive acts towards Jewish and other minority groups is, I think, a reasonable one. Lineker was referring to the political and social atmosphere that was gradually being created - not to the atrocities that then followed.

Amnesty International has also voiced concerns about the growing use of a type of language which is commonly used to describe immigrants.

To illustrate why they feel this is important, they refer to a video of a Greek coast guard ship apparently trying to capsize a boat full of refugees, and of the coast guard firing into the sea near their dinghy. A right wing commentator tweeted a caption accompanying this footage "love me a bit of Greek coast guard. Come on you wondrous people of Greece. Rage against the INVASION" (my caps).

Amnesty International goes on to say that words such as invasion, swarms, floods, etc. are now commonly used throughout the world to describe migrants.

This growing feeling that asylum seekers are some sort of pestilence that should be repelled does not just affect asylum seekers. It feeds into a narrative that defines all immigrants as somehow undesirable. In the Jeremy Vine show the other morning, when this subject was being discussed, a listener from Suffolk called in to say that Enoch Powell was right and he used words to the effect that foreigners should not be welcome in this country. This is how hateful people like Hitler come to power - and he was elected. Democracies do not guarantee that the people who are elected do not then go on to seize control and become very dangerous.

Gary Lineker is a freelance sports commentator - he is not a news reader or a political commentator. Had he aired his views on air during a sports programme, I think that would not be acceptable. Some posters refer to the fact that Lineker went to Qatar as a commentator, despite the serious abuses of human rights that occur there. But I believe he made it a condition of his going that he made a statement pointing out these abuses - the BBC thus allowing him to make what was, in effect, a political statement, albeit relating to another country.

An excellent post * eloethan*

Eloethan

If it is deemed acceptable for governmental ministers to use words like "swarm" and "invasion" to refer to migrants, then I think it is incumbent on those who do not want to see people demonised to challenge such statements.

The comparison with the language used in Germany in the lead up to increasing repressive and aggressive acts towards Jewish and other minority groups is, I think, a reasonable one. Lineker was referring to the political and social atmosphere that was gradually being created - not to the atrocities that then followed.

Amnesty International has also voiced concerns about the growing use of a type of language which is commonly used to describe immigrants.

To illustrate why they feel this is important, they refer to a video of a Greek coast guard ship apparently trying to capsize a boat full of refugees, and of the coast guard firing into the sea near their dinghy. A right wing commentator tweeted a caption accompanying this footage "love me a bit of Greek coast guard. Come on you wondrous people of Greece. Rage against the INVASION" (my caps).

Amnesty International goes on to say that words such as invasion, swarms, floods, etc. are now commonly used throughout the world to describe migrants.

This growing feeling that asylum seekers are some sort of pestilence that should be repelled does not just affect asylum seekers. It feeds into a narrative that defines all immigrants as somehow undesirable. In the Jeremy Vine show the other morning, when this subject was being discussed, a listener from Suffolk called in to say that Enoch Powell was right and he used words to the effect that foreigners should not be welcome in this country. This is how hateful people like Hitler come to power - and he was elected. Democracies do not guarantee that the people who are elected do not then go on to seize control and become very dangerous.

Gary Lineker is a freelance sports commentator - he is not a news reader or a political commentator. Had he aired his views on air during a sports programme, I think that would not be acceptable. Some posters refer to the fact that Lineker went to Qatar as a commentator, despite the serious abuses of human rights that occur there. But I believe he made it a condition of his going that he made a statement pointing out these abuses - the BBC thus allowing him to make what was, in effect, a political statement, albeit relating to another country.

Excellent post!

Gina Miller

I'm hearing Richard Sharp will resign by the end of the day

#BBCBias

Sangita Myska is currently talking about the Beeb, Tories and Robbie Gibb in particular, on LBC
She was formerly a BBC news journalist and is extremely knowledgeable

MaizieD

Forsythia

Gary Lineker was a footballer turned TV pundit. There are many of those quietly getting on with their jobs that they are paid to do.

Gary has always been arrogant thinking he is better than the rest. This is what happens when they are given big contracts, huge money and allowed to believe they are indispensable. The way forward is a rolling one year contract. If it works, continue it for another year. If it doesn’t, there are many retired players and managers who would give their views on FOOTBALL on TV and be glad to do so without controversy.

Gary should disinherit his 4 sons and put his money where his big mouth is and house numerous refugee families, not one carefully handpicked person for a few weeks, and let’s see what happens.

Rod Stewart put his money where his mouth was. He paid for people’s scans on the NHS but did not bad mouth anybody while doing it. Saintly Gary could learn from him.

Let’s see big mouth Gary Neville turn his hotel over to refugees too.

I didn't know we had Sun Journalists posting on Gnet

Nor did I MaizieD but it’s good that you’ve outed yourself! Now we all know.