the church of england has never crpwned a divorced King

So grandtanteJE65 a civil ceremony as a form of marriage between two baptised Christians is in the eyes of the Catholic church a valid legal marriage. Not both parties need to be baptised I was and Mr J was not and yet we were still married in a Catholic church because I was a practising Catholic at the time. No pressure was put on Mr J to become a Catholic or to be baptised in another Christian church. Our marriage was valid and legal in the eyes of the church and if it was not then we must have been living in sin for all these years!

Why Coronation don’t need one other monarchies don’t. Charles want expensive costing £100 million. Thought he want to modernise Give it to the nurses instead they could use the money.

Abolish the monarchy a waste of space and money

Barmeyoldbat

I also remember Charles saying about never being head of the C OF E .

Yes, it was very clear. And as it cause a massive uproar, he had to fudge around and try and moderate what he said, somehow, as it would put his accession to the throne in jeopardy. But I truly think his meaning was quite clear.

The CofE has always been strange, neither here, nor there. Any Protestant from any other area of the world (including Scotland) watching a ceremony or service at any High Church, be it at The Abbey or St Paul's, or King's in Cambridge, etc etc. - would think it was a Catholic Service, with all the signs present- bar the Pope.

The CofE has always been strange, neither here, nor there. Any Protestant from any other area of the world (including Scotland) watching a ceremony or service at any High Church, be it at The Abbey or St Paul's, or King's in Cambridge, etc etc. - would think it was a Catholic Service, with all the signs present- bar the Pope
Apart from the fact that the Church of England is only one branch of the (worldwide) Anglican Communion, this is getting silly now.

No, I can tell the difference between a Roman Catholic service and a Church of England service.
The Church of England retains many customs and practices similar to those of the Catholic church but also embraced some ideas of the Protestant movement which was sweeping across Europe at the time.

The Church of Scotland veered further away, more towards Presbyterianism.

Yes, you and a few probably can. Most from the rest of the world would not and always express great surprise.

Some Cof E churches are very High Church and almost Roman Catholic, others are very much inclined in the opposite direction with everything in between. I heard a fairly senior member of the clergy comment that there isn't one Church of England but a lot of churches grouped together.

High Anglicans, I'm one, are very much in step with Rome, just a few tweeks here and there to accommodate the marital complexities of Henry.V111th. Incense, holy water, candles, processions, statues, even three priests, bishops, you name it, it's a virtual copy of Rome, but on certain issues there differences. Henry V111th actual died a Catholic as did Charles 11nd.

Callistemon21

No, I can tell the difference between a Roman Catholic service and a Church of England service.
The Church of England retains many customs and practices similar to those of the Catholic church but also embraced some ideas of the Protestant movement which was sweeping across Europe at the time.

The Church of Scotland veered further away, more towards Presbyterianism.

Confirmed into the Scottish Episcopal Church, too can tell the difference.
From what I could see attending mass with Paw who was a Catholic, RC services could also be very much “lower church” than some High Anglican services.

Yes, you and a few probably can. Most from the rest of the world would not and always express great surprise .

But I suppose I should defer to Fleurpepper’s superior knowledge as always.

Most of the rest of the world?

What have they got to do with Christian liturgy?

Why drag them in?

Septimia

Some Cof E churches are very High Church and almost Roman Catholic, others are very much inclined in the opposite direction with everything in between. I heard a fairly senior member of the clergy comment that there isn't one Church of England but a lot of churches grouped together.

That's right.
It's Broad Church in it's most literal sense.

A Broad Church

lathyrus are you saying ONLY the church of England should have a say on "Christian liturgy" .I've heard of and seen "english exceptionalism" at work but this remark takes it to a different level .Surelu christianity began outside of England and was bastardized by Henry the V111 for his own wants?
Roman Catholics are just as much christians and are the largest christian groups on earth thats not to say they are the only ones entitled to an opinion ...but then I'm not a christian so I'm not that bothered

Lathyrus

Most of the rest of the world?

What have they got to do with Christian liturgy?

Why drag them in?

I've being staying off this thread because I'm not interested in the topic, but good grief this made me laugh 🤣

paddyann 👏🏼

Fleurpepper

Yes, you and a few probably can. Most from the rest of the world would not and always express great surprise.

No, no, Just that of course most of the rest of the world couldn’t tell the difference between C of E or RC liturgies. It’s not their religion.

It seemed a bit of a pointless observation to make

Surelu christianity began outside of England and was bastardized by Henry the V111 for his own wants?

I did think it began with Christ but then, various RC Popes have changed the doctrine so many times to suit their own agenda.

Various religious leaders have done the same, including Martin Luther who removed books from his version of the Bible.

Lathyrus

Fleurpepper

Yes, you and a few probably can. Most from the rest of the world would not and always express great surprise.

No, no, Just that of course most of the rest of the world couldn’t tell the difference between C of E or RC liturgies. It’s not their religion.

It seemed a bit of a pointless observation to make

Well, I will agree.

Each version of Christianity differs.

However, the majority of people in the world claim to be Christian although of different variations.

paddyann54

lathyrus are you saying ONLY the church of England should have a say on "Christian liturgy" .I've heard of and seen "english exceptionalism" at work but this remark takes it to a different level .Surelu christianity began outside of England and was bastardized by Henry the V111 for his own wants?
Roman Catholics are just as much christians and are the largest christian groups on earth thats not to say they are the only ones entitled to an opinion ...but then I'm not a christian so I'm not that bothered

Exactly- and so many other denominations. The Church of England was created under false premises for all the wrong reasons. Divorce was actually a minor one- greed much more important. Henry VIII could not bear that the Pope was above him in the pyramid- and by taking all the lands, Monastries, and riches of the Catholic Church could dish them about to his nobility to buy loyalty, as his claim to the Throne was quite weak in so many ways.

Yes, one of many Anglican Churches around the world, but the first one, without any shadow of doubt. Others followed in lands occupied by the British. And never a Protestant Church- and not recognised as such by all the Protestants around the world.

As paddyann, not a Christian, but the Power of the Anglican Church in the UK is far too strong and the official link should be severed asap, and religion return to being a private matter.

Callistemon21

Lathyrus

Fleurpepper

Yes, you and a few probably can. Most from the rest of the world would not and always express great surprise.

No, no, Just that of course most of the rest of the world couldn’t tell the difference between C of E or RC liturgies. It’s not their religion.

It seemed a bit of a pointless observation to make

Well, I will agree.

Each version of Christianity differs.

However, the majority of people in the world claim to be Christian although of different variations.

That’s not quite right. Sorry. Christianity claims around 2,4 billion adherents out of a world population of over 7 billion.

It’s the largest religion but not the majority of people.

Most from the rest of the world would not and always express great surprise

Remind me of how familiar most of us here on GN are with the 10 branches (if that’s the word) of Islam? The various denominations of Judaism? The three main branches of Buddhism - Theravada, Mahayana, and Vajrayana ?
And they have the temerity to express surprise at varying degrees of churchmanship within the Anglican Communion.
Good grief!

As paddyann, not a Christian, but the Power of the Anglican Church in the UK is far too strong and the official link should be severed asap, and religion return to being a private matter

As you are not a Christian, you are entitled to a view but if you follow another religion, is that an objective one?

Personally, I disagree that the C of E has too much influence in England, although I think the Church of England should be disestablished.

Personally, I think that the Catholic Church has far more influence in this country and around the world as do other religions.

Thank you for the concise history of the Church of England.
Whouda think it?

Thunk

😂

Every day is a school day on Gransnet!!

Well, that’s what I was thinking.

But inexplicably it got turned into me being anti Catholic and English🙄