Are young people turning gay?

Thank God for Mermaids challenging the LGB alliance, it's what led to the current exposure of the issues there.

Oh this is fun

I read…….

go on, have a go

I read (a headline this one)

That men can become allergic to having orgasms

It should t have made me laugh - but it did?

VioletSky

You guys are so rubbish at discussion

Oh that should have had this quote.

I’m getting carried away by my raspberries and cream….

Lathyrus

Be got a vision of the the same 50 or so people going “Now you two bel g to this group well set up and you two over there you’re another group and you three over there…….

Look we’ve got 50 groups! Everybody sign this letter.

A letter to who?

It’s just too silly for words.?

Give me the provenance and I’ll discuss it.

Otherwise , like I said, just too, too silly.

Be got a vision of the the same 50 or so people going “Now you two bel g to this group well set up and you two over there you’re another group and you three over there…….

Look we’ve got 50 groups! Everybody sign this letter.

A letter to who?

It’s just too silly for words.?

You guys are so rubbish at discussion

I read that there’s a satellite that’s been up in the sky since the Middle Ages?

VioletSky

I've just read that 50, yes 50 LGBT groups signed a letter condemning the LGB Alliance as a hate group.

Are all 50 of those groups offensive to everyone here?

Unless we are all members of all 50 groups (highly unlikely, I'd have thought), how, exactly are we supposed to answer that?

“I read”

That’s a bit vague isn’t it?

I've just read that 50, yes 50 LGBT groups signed a letter condemning the LGB Alliance as a hate group.

Are all 50 of those groups offensive to everyone here?

Just a comment about all the people and organisations beating a hasty retreat.

Lathyrus

Galaxy

Mermaids was used in a training event I attended which was delivered to early years staff. People are going to be back pedalling so hard you will see the smoke.

It’s quite funny in a wry sort of way how organisations and individuals, especially celebrities, who were loud in their praise of Mermaids just a few short weeks ago, are suddenly quite puzzled by suggestions that they were supporting them or even really knew anything about them?

Back pedalling doesn’t even cover it.

Who is back pedalling on here?
One training event which used Mermaids does not mean they dominate the area. There is zero evidence that either they or Stonewall have ever done so.

The problem with the LGB Alliance that I see after reading their polices, is they reject trans people and they reject them regardless of their sexuality.

Now everyone here accepts and makes space for trans people (within limits that protect women's rights) right?

So I'm not sure what anyone else thinks of the LGB alliance

Surely they could have just been a support organisation for LGB without having any any anti trans statements?

There are organisations for different aspects of LGBTQ anyway

Galaxy

Mermaids was used in a training event I attended which was delivered to early years staff. People are going to be back pedalling so hard you will see the smoke.

It’s quite funny in a wry sort of way how organisations and individuals, especially celebrities, who were loud in their praise of Mermaids just a few short weeks ago, are suddenly quite puzzled by suggestions that they were supporting them or even really knew anything about them?

Back pedalling doesn’t even cover it.

I'm so baffled right now

There is a world of difference between offering training and dominating all training and thinking. There are a huge number of organisations offering gender training to schools, it's not dominated by either of the two organisations.

Here is where this conversation started

I've talked honestly of my experience and training which is the same for other schools in our academy.

Haven't spoken for about other academies or schools

Strangely what I have said has been no comfort

The key word there being "offer" Rosie51

mermaidsuk.org.uk/professionals/resources-for-professionals/?__cf_chl_tk=31JmyaiBJLB3_Ye8JzJ6igRAMsid2yg9mMTmmx8Qqyc-1665595320-0-gaNycGzNB70

Note this phrase Mermaids is proud to offer gender-diversity training to schools, health professionals, public bodies and private companies. Our training is tailored to each organisation’s specific needs so please visit our training page to find out more and get in touch.

It was initially from the horse's mouth I got my information.
Doodledog and I agree on some issues, I'm sure we disagree on others. We are not a hive mind nor one a clone of the other

VioletSky

I searched our academies website and there is no mention of stonewall or mermaids. Nothing on the main academy website either...

I'm still not sure what this has to do with whether I should have an opinion on trans rights?

One thing we did cover in training was the equality act which I obviously do agree with and I believe it should be followed correctly and I agree sometimes that isn't happening.

Another thing we teach in school is our British Values of Individual Liberty, Tolerance and Respect.

I've also told you that we do not teach about trans and neither does my children's secondary school.

I've also mentioned that my responsibility to children having difficulty with gender would be listening, offering comfort and reporting concerns.

But these are things I have said on these threads all along.

Where is the problem exactly?

Grannygravy

Nowhere are the words "nobody has" neither have I called anyone wrong.

Clearly this comment is also a continuation of previous discussion

I'll go back and find where it started

17.36.06 first paragraph VS

Glorianny

Oh Doodledogyou are much too bright to pretend ignorance or misunderstanding.
I posted Rosie51's post.
If as she alleges Mermaids has a substantial input into schools then Violet Sky should know about them. But she doesn't know much.
You are now saying it's Stonewall with the input.
So which is it? Or is it neither?
The point is that either you are mistaken and there is no input from either organisation because someone actually working in a school knows little about them. Or you are saying the VS is lying or not taking on board the training provided.
Either way it doesn't really matter because what is emerging is that the allegations about the enormous input the two organisations have had are not supported by the evidence. And in fact you and Rosie51 are now contradicting each other. So stop trying to dodge the bullet and explain to me who has the influence in schools? and is VS just the exception who hasn't had all the input she's supposed to have had? or is the whole idea that these two organisations are busy converting people just a figment of the imagination?

Glorianny, this is a load of waffle in an attempt at a 'gotcha'.

(a) Rosie and I are allowed to contradict one another. We are two separate people, and do not post as one.

(b) Whether or not VS understands the input of organisations into schools or not is neither here nor there. It is the fact that she claims not to know about them that I find disconcerting. That's all. Rosie may have other thoughts on the matter, which last time I looked was ok.

(c) I thought you were of the opinion that telling people what they think is not ok?

(d) as I have already stated, I do not work, and never have worked in a school. My understanding of the input of the two organisations in question is that Stonewall provides general 'training' on what it sees as diversity, and gives its kite mark to organisations that fulfil its demands. Mermaids has a more advisory role, aimed at children and young people. Where adults are concerned it concentrates on answering questions from those who support children and young people, which may take the form of very specific training on single-issues. But, as I said, I may be wrong about that. As I have never worked with under 16s I have had no need to know the detail. I am far more concerned about the advice given by Mermaids to callers, who, on the whole, are minors, and who are encouraged to deceive their parents.

If I am mistaken (perfectly possible) it is not 'because someone actually working in a school knows little about them', which is what is confusing. It doesn't make sense. It is because, well, I am mistaken. I don't think I am though. Instead of doing the 'gotcha' thing, why not tell me whether you think I am right or wrong?

Where have I said that?

I've been asked about it and I have answered

VioletSky

GrannyGravy13

Yes VioletSky I do know what a resource is.

I was just pointing out that mermaids was an Educational resource, just because you haven’t experience of them does not mean that nobody in education has.

Where have I said "nobody has"?

You have repeatedly told those posting linking mermaids with schools they are wrong in your experience