Labour Party policy beginning to be formed

Have you been reading that book by Truss and friends MS/

Ilovecheese

I've never really understood why anyone thinks our services are better owned by other country's Governments rather than our own.

I do, sheer bloody lazyness and if things go wrong, well, not my responsibility, is it?

"Keir Starmer: we won't let you ignore the demand for Proportional Representation

The British public has been demanding Proportional Representation for years. Support from voters is the highest it has ever been, including having doubled among Labour voters.

Thousands campaign for it every year. From First Ministers Mark Drakeford and Nicola Sturgeon, mayors Andy Burnham and Sadiq Khan, to grassroots activists up and down the country. Every major party in Great Britain other than Labour and the Conservatives promised it at the last election.

Now, Labour is a big step closer to joining us. Labour Conference has now passed a motion calling for Proportional Representation. This is an historic moment.

But you said this is "not a priority". Without your support there is no guarantee that Labour will introduce Proportional Representation after the next election. But we are not going away. We will not allow Proportional Representation to be kicked into the long grass.

We want you to take up the torch of electoral reform. We want a manifesto commitment for Proportional Representation. However we vote, all of us want to cast our next vote for a party that commits to PR in its manifesto.

We are closer than ever to achieving equal votes. Will you join us?"

actionnetwork.org/petitions/keir-starmer-proportional-representation-2022

It has been a very good Conference

Thanks.

Party Political Broadcast?

(had to google it)

PPB?

Great, intelligent, passionate PPB right now. Bravo Keir Starmer.

DaisyAnne

Mamardoit

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Mamardoit

Pity one MP has made a racial comment about Kwasi Kwarteng in a fringe meeting.

Yes she’s had the whip withdrawn.

It is called party discipline - a lesson the Tories have yet to discover.

Too right she should have the whip withdrawn! But it should never have happened. She's an MP!

I doubt very much that given power labour MPs will be any more disciplined than the tories.

It's a good thing you are perfect then Marmadoit. Otherwise, the whole world would comprise people who made mistakes and were not perfect.

I'm not an MP.

What the hell has the 'whole world' got to do with anything?

I was pleased to read that the chair of the event where the racist comment was made, challenged the MP and was supported by the audience in doing so

It was a rather bad mistake

Mamardoit

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Mamardoit

Pity one MP has made a racial comment about Kwasi Kwarteng in a fringe meeting.

Yes she’s had the whip withdrawn.

It is called party discipline - a lesson the Tories have yet to discover.

Too right she should have the whip withdrawn! But it should never have happened. She's an MP!

I doubt very much that given power labour MPs will be any more disciplined than the tories.

It's a good thing you are perfect then Marmadoit. Otherwise, the whole world would comprise people who made mistakes and were not perfect.

Mamardoit

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Mamardoit

Pity one MP has made a racial comment about Kwasi Kwarteng in a fringe meeting.

Yes she’s had the whip withdrawn.

It is called party discipline - a lesson the Tories have yet to discover.

Too right she should have the whip withdrawn! But it should never have happened. She's an MP!

I doubt very much that given power labour MPs will be any more disciplined than the tories.

I think the difference between Labour and the Tories now though Mamardroit is that because Boris himself was breaking rules all the time, he was far too libertarian when MPs did stupid or illegal things. Starmer now or as PM isn’t going to put up with that, transgressions will all be punished straight away.

Doodledog yes the reaction to it is very important.
How politicians can keep on making racial slurs/gaffes amazes me.Mr Johnson did his share, but usually when he was a journalist, as in the ones you mention above , still wrong of course.
Ms Huq is an MP and was not overheard in a winebar saying this, she was at a Labour Party fringe meeting.What many people may not realise is that racial prejudice towards black people often comes from many sources, not all of them white.
Mr Starmer did the right thing and acted quickly.

Lots of things‘shouldn’t happen’, but people being people they do.

The question is what is done about it, and Keir has shown that he won’t tolerate that sort of thing. No leader can stop part members from saying unfortunate things (Bongo bongo land? Picaninnis? Watermelon smiles? Letterbox women? It is the reaction to it that is where the discipline comes in.

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Mamardoit

Pity one MP has made a racial comment about Kwasi Kwarteng in a fringe meeting.

Yes she’s had the whip withdrawn.

It is called party discipline - a lesson the Tories have yet to discover.

Too right she should have the whip withdrawn! But it should never have happened. She's an MP!

I doubt very much that given power labour MPs will be any more disciplined than the tories.

I think the matter of heir Starmer and the drink at work issue needs to be looked into a bit more closely.

My son is in the constituency of Conservative North West Durham MP Richard Holden, who was the one who "called Starmer out" and campaigned vociferously in local papers and on local radio for the "case to be examined".

And the Durham Police did, at great length, and with the care for detail that the London police did for the allegations against Boris Johnson's activities. It was decided notably to not issues a fine, but to actually say, "not guilty" ie no grey area.

I totally agree with you about "Liz Truss, I'm afraid no faith in her whatsoever, what a budget, that helps the top earners, they won't foster the money back, it's a disgrace"

If the money that could have been collected from them could have just raised the basic benefit level from the grand total of £77 a week - yes, thats what people get for heating, food, clothes, buses then I'd have a small amount of respect. As it is, I feel fear for what we are heading towards for those people.

Starmer came over very well initially, but the constant harrassment in the house on Boris was hypercritical, he did the same but got found out too late, do I don't trust him. If he ever made one valid point on any subject it would have been nice.
Corbyn, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck you can be pretty sure it's a duck. His brother and he, make good companions. Labour needs a leader in touch with modern world, who has ideas, listens to people, but they can't find one.
Liz Truss, I'm afraid no faith in her whatsoever, what a budget, that helps the top earners, they won't foster the money back, it's a disgrace. At least Boris cared about the UK, yes he made gaffs, tell me any PM that hasn't look at Tony Blair, ask any serviceman what they think of him, he got a knighthood.
I believe in rewarding hard work, helping the genuine people that need help via the benefit system, the low paid that would be better off on benefits but are doing three jobs to keep going. They are the backbone if this country and should be listened to.

Mamardoit

Pity one MP has made a racial comment about Kwasi Kwarteng in a fringe meeting.

Yes she’s had the whip withdrawn.

It is called party discipline - a lesson the Tories have yet to discover.

Mamardoit

Pity one MP has made a racial comment about Kwasi Kwarteng in a fringe meeting.

Yes, that was unfortunate. There is plenty to criticise about Kwasi Kwarteng without resorting to that, and there is never any excuse for using race as a way of criticising someone. Still, she has had the whip removed, and I'm sure that most people will realise that she doesn't speak for the whole party.

I was impressed by Starmer's speech, but I'm not someone who needs to be convinced.

Curtaintwitcher

Strange that a short time ago, the Labour party didn't have much to say for itself. People were complaining that they didn't seem to have any policies.
Now, suddenly, thanks to the recent public display of patriotism and Liz Truss' dubious move as regards taxes, they have found something to focus on. Playing the National anthem, displaying the Union Jack, copying Nick Clegg with the public display of happy families.
How patronising it all is! Are people really fooled?

The tories fooled people.

Pity one MP has made a racial comment about Kwasi Kwarteng in a fringe meeting.

Strange that a short time ago, the Labour party didn't have much to say for itself. People were complaining that they didn't seem to have any policies.
Now, suddenly, thanks to the recent public display of patriotism and Liz Truss' dubious move as regards taxes, they have found something to focus on. Playing the National anthem, displaying the Union Jack, copying Nick Clegg with the public display of happy families.
How patronising it all is! Are people really fooled?

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Oh and the message

Country first, party second

Was smart I thought.

Very good. As was the singing of God Save our Gracious King when you think of how many voters, who had been life-long Labour until the last election are quite often socially conservative. It would be appreciated by many Conservatives who may vote against their normal pattern next time.

I liked that too. Ed Milliband was interviewed on Radio 5 this afternoon. He described it as bringing together all the stands of energy; manufacture, production, and supply. He also highlighted how much of the energy produced in this country is owned outside the country. He didn't suggest the state would try and run everything as the old-fashioned "Nationalised" set up; that word wasn't used. GB Energy appeals more than "nationalisation" would to me and, I would guess, other left-of-centre non-socialists.