What sort of Prime Minister would Starmer make?

Cautious, and perhaps over-wary of arousing the ire of the hard left faction, but I hope I’m wrong there.

DaisyAnne

Iam64

Grany, You only post criticisms of Labour ministers and the leader. You never criticise the conservatives.
Heaven help us if people who see themselves as left of centre are so focussed on destroying the Labour Party we end up with 5 more years of Tory misrule. Devastating public services, no real concern for people on minimum wage or the nhs. Criminal justice in melt down. Yet you’re focussed on some so far unsubstantiated slur on David lammy

Grany only wants to be a warrior, not a have a government doing what she believes in Iam. To win would be to lose the warrior status. I find her very easy to ignore these days as nothing she says adds to the reality of life in the UK and simply continues to attack her own party - very strange.

Sorry but the LP is not Starmer. So criticising Starmer or any other MP is not attacking the party. Drawing attention to the misdeeds and doubtful connections of MPs whatever party they belong to is surely of vital importance. The reason we finish up with immoral, venal MPs and PMs is because some people will follow anyone because of the party they represent. Now that isn't just strange, it's harmful.

As far as leaders go I would love someone like Zarah Sultana, arguably she is too young and too inexperienced but her commitment, her values and her beliefs are exactly what a real Labour leaders should be. And she isn't afraid to speak out about poverty, strikes, the reduction of civil liberties or nationalisation. She's here www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKzqvbUq-Tg speaking with a passion I wish I could see in Starmer.

Iam64

Grany, You only post criticisms of Labour ministers and the leader. You never criticise the conservatives.
Heaven help us if people who see themselves as left of centre are so focussed on destroying the Labour Party we end up with 5 more years of Tory misrule. Devastating public services, no real concern for people on minimum wage or the nhs. Criminal justice in melt down. Yet you’re focussed on some so far unsubstantiated slur on David lammy

Grany only wants to be a warrior, not a have a government doing what she believes in Iam. To win would be to lose the warrior status. I find her very easy to ignore these days as nothing she says adds to the reality of life in the UK and simply continues to attack her own party - very strange.

nightowl

There are plenty of sources online which confirm Grany’s post about David Lammy attending the Bildenburg meeting. As it is a secretive organisation, we are unlikely to ever know what was discussed or agreed there (you can find the agenda but nothing else).

Formed in the mid-1950s as a joint project of British and US intelligence, the conference has kept its cards so close to its chest that the world’s press has given up trying to get a glimpse of them.
Source: the Guardian.

Make if it what you will, but I find it very scary.

I’ve looked again but can’t see anything, can you post a reputable link please?

There are plenty of sources online which confirm Grany’s post about David Lammy attending the Bildenburg meeting. As it is a secretive organisation, we are unlikely to ever know what was discussed or agreed there (you can find the agenda but nothing else).

Formed in the mid-1950s as a joint project of British and US intelligence, the conference has kept its cards so close to its chest that the world’s press has given up trying to get a glimpse of them.
Source: the Guardian.

Make if it what you will, but I find it very scary.

And why was Taylor, a major private health investor, so keen to ensure that Starmer become the leader of the Labour Party?

Perhaps because Taylor believes in Labour’s ethos. Not everyone’s actions are driven by personal money-making. This might be an alien concept to Tories, but it’s true - some people (even rich, business people) actually believe in social justice for all!

Grany

Why did Keir Starmer – the leader of the party that is supposed to fiercely support a public NHS – receive funds from a donor whose job was to derive enormous profits from increased health privatisation in the UK? And why was Taylor, a major private health investor, so keen to ensure that Starmer become the leader of the Labour Party?

inwhoseinterests.home.blog/2022/06/08/hedge-fund-labour-why-is-the-party-of-the-nhs-now-receiving-money-from-private-health-investors/

Interesting reading your posts.

Who would your preferred leader of the Labour Party be, and what policies that are different to what are being developed now?

Why did Keir Starmer – the leader of the party that is supposed to fiercely support a public NHS – receive funds from a donor whose job was to derive enormous profits from increased health privatisation in the UK? And why was Taylor, a major private health investor, so keen to ensure that Starmer become the leader of the Labour Party?

inwhoseinterests.home.blog/2022/06/08/hedge-fund-labour-why-is-the-party-of-the-nhs-now-receiving-money-from-private-health-investors/

Grany, You only post criticisms of Labour ministers and the leader. You never criticise the conservatives.
Heaven help us if people who see themselves as left of centre are so focussed on destroying the Labour Party we end up with 5 more years of Tory misrule. Devastating public services, no real concern for people on minimum wage or the nhs. Criminal justice in melt down. Yet you’re focussed on some so far unsubstantiated slur on David lammy

As this hasn’t been reported on mainstream media as far as I can see, can you quote your source please Grany?

Just in case anybody out there still believed voting Labour could change anything.

Britain's shadow foreign sec David Lammy attended this year's Bilderberg conference, a secretive forum attended by heads of NATO, the CIA, BP, Shell etc.

It turns out Lammy's £5600 trip was funded by Newbridge Advisory, founded & led by ex-MI6 chief & BP director John Sawers.

This appears to be the only donation ever given by Newbridge Advisory to a Member of Parliament.

Lammy has also recently received £3280 from JP Morgan, £3280 from Canary Wharf Group, £2460 from Deloitte, and £2460 from Ernst & Young in speaking fees.

"David Lammy & others in the Labour Shadow Cabinet attended an elite networking event sponsored by Saint-Gobain (Celotex) which made the flammable RS500 insulation on Grenfell Tower in July".

Lammy received just under £1000 for this July trip.

TwiceAsNice

A poor one!

Just checked- but you have not had the courtesy to come back and give a reason for this statement. Reading the above comments, it does seem as though most here disagree.

Someone I worked with had left the legal profession because he couldn’t get on. Even though his father was a doctor he didn’t know the right people to advance his career in the law. Or even get it started. So for Keir to have achieved what he did with his background must surely show that he’s an exceptional person. And he gave up that career to follow a political dream. The complete opposite of Liz Truss whose father appear to be in despair out how his daughter has turned out politically.

To achieve the success he did academically, in his legal career, as head of the CPS and to withstand the pressures as Labour leader -Starmer has intelligence, resilience and integrity

Prentice

Am sure he was advised to do so, probably in very strong terms by those of his advisors. Yes, he did it, which bodes well, but I wonder if he does possess the real killer instinct, if you know what I mean.

I think Keir is much tougher and much more ruthless than many people realise. And yet the far left of the party seem to see that as a bad thing.

Am sure he was advised to do so, probably in very strong terms by those of his advisors. Yes, he did it, which bodes well, but I wonder if he does possess the real killer instinct, if you know what I mean.

He needs to be a strong character and even to be ruthless if needed,

I thought he was astoundingly ruthless when he removed the whip from Corbyn.

We cannot say ahead of time how good a PM will be, or how bad. I like Mr Starmer and think he is all the things that are on the list from Whitewavemark" but even so I do realise that he needs other things in order to be a successful PM. He needs to be a strong character and even to be ruthless if needed, good moderate people around him and advising him and also luck.Something no PM can be prepared for are
sudden events such as pandemics, war and so on.

The message I hear from people who campaign on a regular basis, knocking on doors, is that Keir is being very well received. I will be voting for him and I am lucky to have a Labour MP. I suspect he is more radical than he is given credit for. You need a sizeable majority to achieve anything in a session. I look forward to his Conference speech which is on, I believe, Wednesday 28th September. I think it will be the call to prepare for election.
This is an election we need to win for the sake of the entire country and our relationships abroad,

Glorianny

Elegran

He is a lawyer, one with a social conscience that he has displayed in his pre-political career. He wouldn't play silly buggers with our legislation. He might even oversee the drafting of the written constitution that some people are demanding.

But someone who apparently thinks it is OK to make promises and then break them.
Either he didn't mean them when he made them or he is so easily swayed he is persuaded even to break his word. Not good qualities.

I don't think it is remotely reasonable to hold someone to pledges they made before a war, before a pandemic, and before the country had been led into a place of rampant inflation and looming poverty for millions, when the pledger has had no control over any of those things.

Johnson has lied repeatedly, and yes, he had no control over the war (although History will tell how much his buddying with oligarchs enabled it) but he did have control during the pandemic, and he claims to have 'got Brexit done', and had control over the deal that was struck, so can and should be held accountable to his promises. If (!) he has fallen short of them is his responsibility, whereas Keir has not been in a position to carry out his pledges, so if he feels that they are no longer possible or desirable because circumstances have changed, I don't think it is fair to castigate him for that.

Burnham and Lynch are excellent communicators, and both have a media presence that is compelling. I absolutely agree that this shouldn't be important when deciding on a political leader, but it is in today's world, and that can't be changed. I also agree with Galaxy that it looks as though Keir has had media training, and that this is a good thing, but his general demeanour is not one that plays to the gallery.

I realise that this is anecdotal, but my daughter and her friends (politically aware late 20s) are very supportive of both. They don't remember unions as being powerful and see them as liberating. Mr Dog and I are both strong unionists, so my children were brought up with protest songs and dinner table polemic from us (the lucky things ?), but I think Lynch is the first leader my daughter has seen speaking to the public as a whole as well as a more limited membership of his own union. She is always sending me TikTok videos of him demolishing right wing arguments, and is quite a fan, as are her friends, who also share the videos.

I'm not sure that we can assume any longer that most young people won't vote, or that fear of Unions is present in anyone under 60 - and even amongst older people there are many who remain supportive of them. The political landscape has changed beyond recognition since then, and continues to change. We don't know yet how a genuine and widespread fear of the future, coupled with an almost universal understanding that we have been lied to and treated with contempt by politicians will play out, but I don't think that clinging to old ways of analysing probable behaviour will be useful in the current climate.

We are in what the Chinese call 'interesting times'.

Ordinary people, living ordinary lives Glorianny. Not activists.

People like me. People I know. People they know. Enough of us to vote in a moderate Labour government. It’s happened before.

I agree too Casdon. Millions of moderate left out there, because that’s the society they want. But not prepared to vote Labour because of the potential far left takeover once in power.

Well said, Ilovecheese.

Funny issn't it ask a reasonable question and you get no real replies only abuse.
Firstly I have only ever voted Labour except when Tony Blair took the country into an illegal war and the Liberal party's policies became more left wing than Labour's. I will of course vote Labour. But that doesn't mean that I approve of Starmer who for whatever reason shifts with the wind.
Secondly disapproving of one leader lying does not mean I approve of another's lies. It simply means that I don't like lying politicians of any political persuasion.
Still no explanation of where the votes will come from,