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Are any of you guilty of nimbyism - objecting to solar farms?

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Dinahmo Thu 25-Aug-22 13:14:40

The following extract from a report in today's Guardian.

Solar farms are being refused planning permission in Great Britain at the highest rate in five years, analysis has found, with projects which would have cut £100m off annual electricity bills turned down in the past 18 months.

Planning permission for 23 solar farms was refused across England, Wales and Scotland between January 2021 and July 2022, which could have produced enough renewable energy to power an estimated 147,000 homes annually, according to analysis of government figures by the planning and development consultancy Turley.

The refusals have jumped significantly since the start of 2021 – the research found only four projects were refused planning permission during 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020 combined.

Of the 27 declined solar farms between 2019 and 2022, 19 are in Conservative constituencies. Four were in Labour constituencies, three in Scottish National party constituencies, and one in a Liberal Democrat constituency.

There are fears such refusals could increase further as the Tory leadership contenders, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak, have made disparaging comments about solar farms.

South-west and eastern England had the highest number of refusals in the last 18 months, with four projects turned down in each region. Wales, the West Midlands and Scotland each had three refusals, while the east Midlands, north-east and south-east of England each had two planning applications turned down.

Analysts at the thinktank Green Alliance said the rejected projects were large solar farms at an average of about 30MW each, which may account for the planning refusals as it is easier to get smaller farms approved.

However, it added that this should not be a reason to refuse planning permission, as larger solar farms could cut bills further.

It said the refused solar farms could have cut about £100m off Great Britain’s electricity bills this year.

Iwtwab12bow Sun 28-Aug-22 13:11:04

I don't like the word nimby . When we were living in Malaga the solar farms were endless and a real blot on the landscape. They took hundreds of euros off the cost of people's houses and the farms were despised. We saved for our home and noone should want to devalue our precious asset,after all its the only, most expensive asset you will ever buy.

Paperbackwriter Sun 28-Aug-22 13:09:55

Once fields are taken up with solar panels, that land is taken out of food production. Contrary to what an earlier poster said on here, the land beneath can't be used for crops as it's hard to harvest them.
This country imports far too much food already without losing more land. I think that space on top of buildings is the way forward - as someone else pointed out, all factories, supermarkets etc have roof space.

Kryptonite Sun 28-Aug-22 13:09:54

I prefer them to wind turbines which are so ooming and intrusive, and noisy too. A field near here being proposed for solar panels, but will be well hidden. No problem with it.

WendyD Sun 28-Aug-22 13:08:57

Excellent idea. Make use of the large surfaces that already exist

missdeke Sun 28-Aug-22 12:54:03

I would welcome a solar energy farm near us in the area that is being promoted as a suitable place for 2 of the largest prisons in Europe.

We are in a rural area with pretty villages that rely on tourism for the livelihood of local businesses. The roads are narrow country roads with a number of single file bridges, poor public transport and a distance from any railway station. The proposed site is on top of a hilly part of the county so would be visible from a huge area, there would be 24 hour light polution and 24 hour traffic. It is also against the MOJ's own preferment of where prisons should be sited.

So yes, maybe I am guilty of nimbyism where the prisons are proposed but not for a solar energy site.

Zoejory Sun 28-Aug-22 12:46:42

Not keen on solar panels but I wouldn't object. Needs must and all that

I rather like the windmills. They can look quite beautiful.

Dylant1234 Sun 28-Aug-22 12:36:43

I recently learned about agri- solar. Instead of the panels being laid low to the ground they are on 15ft posts. This enables vegetation to grow underneath. Indeed, if growing crops or vegetables there is a greenhouse effect from the panels resulting in 15-30% more growth. Alternatively, the land underneath can be left alone to increase biodiversity. It’s win win. Ok, some people may hate the sight of panels per se but remember they can always be removed in future if technology improves. Without accepting alternative energy sources to reduce carbon emissions there won’t be any future. Time to wake up!

2420mags Sun 28-Aug-22 12:35:33

l live in Wiltshire and have done 40+ years. The observation l have made about objections are from people who have moved to the country and only think about the over priced "cottage" of 5+ bedrooms they have bought and will it affect selling. We have a number round here and they are hidden for the most part behind hedges and look no worse than plastic covering that is put over potatoes in Pembrokeshire. My neighbour complained about my roof PV array despite you could only see them from the bottom of the garden and not in her line of sight. As someone said l prefer a solar farm to looking at a Hinkly Point.

Clevedon Sun 28-Aug-22 12:24:17

I just love to see the solar windmills as I call them lol. I wouldn't object at all

Theoddbird Sun 28-Aug-22 12:23:19

I remember seeing a programme many, many years ago that outlined how the United Kingdom could produce all the energy needed using just the sun, wind and sea. We are an island and we do not use the power of the sea to produce energy. I am not sure why....

Treetops05 Sun 28-Aug-22 12:17:27

We have many solar farms in Devon, I imagine people are getting fed up with the eye sores.

icanhandthemback Sun 28-Aug-22 12:07:53

No, I think Solar Farms are a short term solution to our energy problem but I wouldn't mine one near me.

grandtanteJE65 Sun 28-Aug-22 12:06:17

I can understand why people might not want to look out of their windows onto a bank of solar panels or wind turbines, so I think we should perhaps re-think where we want to place them a bit.

I do not care for solar bannks being placed on arable or grazing land - even in the countryside there are various ugly concrete or steel buildings that could well have the bank on their roofs. I feel roofs are the right place as far as possible.

In Denmark we have various restrictions on place a bank of solar panels on your roof - they must not be visible to your neighbours. Reasonable enough? Quite honestly, how much time do any of us spend looking at our neighbours, or our own roofs? In Germany it seems you may place them where you want on your own property - and the neighbours either don't complain, or at least are not listened to if they do.

Wind turbines may not be exactly beautiful to look at, but neither are pylons, factory chimneys, power plants of any other description, parking garages and a long list of other modern technological constructions that we have somehow managed to get used to.

We have quite a lot of wind turbines here, and quite honestly, you notice a new one, but after a short while you see they are there, but that's all there is to it.

I much prefer the thought of wind, solar or water power being used to generate electricity than coal, diesel or atomic power.

Lathyrus Sun 28-Aug-22 11:58:58

Of course if we really want a long term solution to the pollution caused by humans the answer is to reduce the human population to sustainable levels.

I’m not holding my breath?

Nagmad2016 Sun 28-Aug-22 11:52:30

I think we all have to accept that our landscapes will change dramatically as more solar and wind farms are established. As much as I love our lovely countryside, and rambling, green fields, we have already seen our landscape changed by acres of poly tunnels. It is a changing world and if we want the convenience of home grown power, we have to concede some things. This is the way of the modern world.

volver Sun 28-Aug-22 11:48:20

Well I'll repeat myself for all the people coming on here to ask the same questions that have already been asked and answered before on this thread.

No source of energy is perfect. (First Law of Thermodynamics, if you want to look it up.)

So however we generate energy in the future, it will not be perfect. We will have to source and manufacture the materials to generate it, deal with the by products and recycle what we can. We cannot continue pumping carbon into the atmosphere and we cannot rely on nuclear because it is even more harmful to the environment than carbon.

I suspect the sources coming up with the issues that surround wind and solar are invested in Oil and Gas, or nuclear. Clock's been ticking for 40 years. Its now or never.

Theoddbird Sun 28-Aug-22 11:45:47

There are objections to a massive one near where I am moored. It will take hundreds of acres of prime farm land... The soil here is amazing. I think all factories and shopping complexes and supermarkets should have solar panels on top of them.

knspol Sun 28-Aug-22 11:44:38

PS. Forgot to say that I would hate to have the fields near me full of solar panels, chose to live in a rural area because of the views amongst other things.

knspol Sun 28-Aug-22 11:43:22

Not exactly on point but I have been considering solar panels on my roof and wonder if any of you gransnetters who already have them have had problems with the wind getting under them or of birds or bats nesting underneath?

4allweknow Sun 28-Aug-22 11:40:35

Isn't there still a huge question mark on the materials and energy used to manufacture solar panels, same with electric car batteries. We could be solving one problem but adding to another. What's the life expectancy of these solar panel farms? I'm not against the farms but careful consideration has to be given to their location and size. Drive throughout Scotland, the place is covered in wind turbines. Life expectancy in those things is apparently 20 years. How much energy is used to manufacture them?

Nannashirlz Sun 28-Aug-22 11:39:56

I don’t see we have any choice or solar pallets on everyone’s homes but can’t see government doing that

Chestnut Sun 28-Aug-22 11:38:21

kjmpde

i would happily have a solar farm or even a wind farm next to me. I really do not understand how the UK can meet the targets of reducing Co2 if we don't build more renewable sources. john Nettlesand others are totally against them - my question is why.

Read this thread and you'll realise that wind farms can be harmful to human and animal health, which is probably why some people are against them.

henetha Sun 28-Aug-22 11:33:42

Every new building, residential or otherwise, should be required to have solar panels. Germany is far ahead of us in this.

CBBL Sun 28-Aug-22 11:32:49

There are lots of empty fields around my current home in the very North of Scotland. The land is fairly poor (I think) and used mainly for sheep farming. I would be happy to see it used for Solar Farms. We have several Wind Farms already, both on land and sea.

volver Sun 28-Aug-22 11:24:42

Nuclear power is essential for base load and to help with national sufficiency.

Do you have figures to support that assertion? Preferably figures that are not produced by the nuclear industry.