the law as it stands on sex - part 3

How can it not be a massive red flag when midwives are too scared to point out that men can’t get pregnant, and that it’s not possible to deliver a baby when there is no birth canal, aka a vagina? How? This. How many people had to have read that
workbook? If none of them were aware that biological males can't get pregnant and give birth then that is worrying, but of course they knew, and that they kept quiet for fear of condemnation is an even bigger worry. What other fantasies will be peddled unchallenged?

That's the concern....I've got visions of activists, pushing every reasonable boundary, just to cause a fuss, because they can.?

Oh they will, there are a lots of 'Charlie Moore's out there, he of Monsoon fame who wanted a prom dress for a non existent prom. Just wanted the publicity, no thought or care for the innocents who got hurt by his actions.

That's the concern....I've got visions of activists, pushing every reasonable boundary, just to cause a fuss, because they can.?

I do think, to be honest, the police should be concentrating on "serious" crime, and not having to pander to all this.

It'll also put venues/shops in a difficult position, as their goal is that everyone feels safe and comfortable.

If, I, as a biological woman, feel unsafe, with an obvious male sharing the space, but "he" is threatening to phone the police, or take action against the venue, who takes priority?

I wonder if it's also ok for biological women to dial 999, if we feel unsafe sharing female only places?

I have this image of people frantically dialling 999 to complain about each other.
We’re back to the place where, if a TW makes it obvious that they’re a male then they shouldn’t be in female spaces. I recall being told by the absent few that TW had been among us, unnoticed for years.
Maybe that’s because those TW wished to remain unnoticed, not to foist themselves on females just to prove they can.

A TW charity, Mermaids, has advised TW to call someone they trust, or dial 999 if asked to leave a "female only" space.

"Mermaids said it was ‘not happy’ with the Equality and Human Rights Commission’s ruling that trans women can be excluded from female-only spaces if there is a legitimate reason, such as protecting privacy.

Last month the EHRC published guidance to help venues make lawful decisions on services they offer to women and men separately, such as toilets."

I would have thought that the police had better things to be doing.?

I wonder if it's also ok for biological women to dial 999, if we feel unsafe sharing female only places?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10773693/Trans-women-advised-call-999-leave-female-spaces.html

It wasn't a typo, or any normal misunderstanding, as there were 2 pages of info about male catheterisation.

It's complete stupidity, and appalling that students were afraid to say anything because of the level of indoctrination they are getting.

No-one is going to defend this as all the usual gang have left this thread to get away from the mean girls.

Doodledog

Gossamerbeynon1945

Doodledog - I agree with everything you have said. Imagine giving birth through a penis - it's hystercial! How does it work anatomically?

It doesn't .

Transmen are women who want to be men, but because of their female bodies can get pregnant. I don't have figures, but I can't imagine that many women simultaneously 'know that they are men', have sex as woman and go on to get pregnant, but nevertheless, the move to change the language in maternity wards is to avoid 'triggering' transmen, who don't want to be reminded of the fact that they are women by being included in the female terminology that surrounds maternity. They want so-called 'gender-neutral' language to be used instead, with mothers referred to as 'birth givers' and so on.

Nobody is suggesting that men are actually giving birth - transmen are not men, any more than transwomen are women; but their fantasy that this is the case is driving the agenda, as in so much of what goes on in the name of trans.

I take it back!

Sorry, I assumed it was a misunderstanding, but no, it seems that midwives are being taught to assist men to give birth.

It looks as though it’s been a typo or some other sort of misunderstanding, or it was written by one of the captured, but the scary thing is that nobody spotted it before it was too late, and the midwives taking the course didn’t dare to question it.

When is this dictatorship going to end? Surely, even the most ardent of trans supporters can’t think that this is not deeply worrying? Come on, trisher? VS, volver? Anyone?

How can it not be a massive red flag when midwives are too scared to point out that men can’t get pregnant, and that it’s not possible to deliver a baby when there is no birth canal, aka a vagina? How?

"Lupron, the hormone blocker some doctors seem intent on giving to kids like Tylenol, isn’t even FDA-approved to treat children with gender dysphoria. (In 2001, the manufacturer pled guilty to fraudulent sales practices with regard to its marketing as a prostate-cancer drug.) We don’t yet know its long-term effects off-label, despite the fact parents have been assured that its effects are safe and even reversible."

quillette.com/2020/10/06/forget-what-gender-activists-tell-you-heres-what-medical-transition-looks-like/?fbclid=IwAR2qlDB4ZBkqc5vqo5jYNMWERe93a80Hs56_4Kb199HgCZN3q9szIFuSK2o

I wonder if medical students are being taught about women (ie transwomen) and ‘cis’ women (hitherto known as women) when it comes to anatomy?

They need, of course, to be taught the differences between male and female bodies for purposes of diagnosis and treatment, but the further down the rabbit hole we go, the more likely it is that we will end up with ‘men’ and ‘women’ meaning transmen and transwomen, with cis men and cis women used to describe old fashioned male and female people.

Well, this latest news item has me baffled. How can they possibly be sure this body is representative of a woman? After all, if TW are W then she could have the characteristics of a male body, surely? And the irony of it coming from Brighton, the land of chest-feeding and birth-givers.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-61258731

Also, here is a link to info on the number of trans prisoners in Scottish prisons.
I was surprised to see that there were 2 transmen housed in the male estate.

www.sps.gov.uk/FreedomofInformation/FOI-8207.aspx

"RFI1: How many trans women have been placed in women’s prison settings and young offenders’ institutions (YOIs) in Scotland over the last five years? If possible, please break down the response by year, from 1 Jan 2017 up to 31 December 2021.

RFI2: How many trans men have been placed in men’s prison settings and young offenders’ institutions (YOIs) in Scotland over the last five years? If possible, please break down the response by year, from 1 Jan 2017 up to 31 December 2021.

RFI3: How many complaints has the Scottish Prison Service received about the placement of trans prisoners since the SPS published its Gender Identity and Gender Reassignment Policy in 2014. If possible, please break down the response by year.

RFI4 : How many prisoners, who identify as trans female, were serving a custodial sentence in 2021 in Scotland across all SPS settings.

RFI5: How many prisoners, who identify as trans male, were serving a custodial sentence in 2021 in Scotland across all SPS settings.

We have now completed our search for the information you requested which is provided.

The SPS Prisoner Record System is a live database, therefore we are unable to provide historical data as requested. As the prison population constantly fluctuates, any information gathered is only accurate at the point in which it is extracted.

In order to provide the most accurate picture possible regarding transgender individuals in our care, we have picked a data point (in this instance 3 December 2021) and contacted each establishment directly to confirm accuracy of the data extracted at that time.

RFI1 Response: As at 3 December 2021, there are 6 transgender women in the female estate.

RFI2 Response: As at 3 December 2021, there are 2 transgender men in the male estate.

RFI3 Response: We do endeavour to provide information whenever possible. However, in this instance the costs of locating, retrieving and providing the information requested would exceed the upper cost limit of £600. As there is no specific category regarding this type of complaint in the data we hold, your request would therefore require a manual check of all complaints submitted since 2014. Under section 12 of FOISA public authorities are not required to comply with a request for information if the authority estimates that the cost of complying would exceed the upper cost limit, which is currently set at £600 by Regulations made under section 12.

RFI4 Response: As at 3 December 2021, there are 11 transgender women in our care.

RFI5 Response: As at 3 December 2021, there are 4 transgender men in our care."

Exactly Elegran.

On another subject, I checked to see if there is any info on the Scottish Prison Service's review of its transgender policy.
The answer is 'not really' but here's a link to what they say :

www.sps.gov.uk/Corporate/News/News-8125.aspx

The alternative to frontal birth is rectal birth - back bottom instead of front bottom. I didn't know our anatomical surgeons were that clever!

Frontal birth?

I thought we were supposed to be moving away from such twee language. We might as well say we give birth through our ‘whizzer’ which is what my niece used to call her private parts!

FarNorth

^"a government funded report has urged NHS hospitals to use terms such as "frontal birth" instead of vaginal birth"^

Surely a caesarian is more 'frontal' than a vaginal birth.

Why would the police need to know all that stuff about people's sexual orientation anyway? I don't see it's any of their business.

I suppose they’ll need to know sexual orientation to know whether to record crimes as hate crimes; but that is entirely separate from so-called ‘gender alignment’.

The birthing language is ridiculous- the NHS is in crisis, yet time and money is being wasted on training midwives and other staff to use daft terminology in situations that will hardly ever arise.

Confronted with several men and one woman who have witnessed a crime, I don't suppose the police can ask "the lady" to come with them to make a statement. They'll have to invite "You with the beard, in the bikini and glittery sandals."

Well, no, a shoplifter (say) is a shoplifter, whether that person wears a skirt or a suit.

But, the Met Police have been told not to use terms such as "Mr/Mrs/Ms/Miss" , "Ladies", "Gentlemen", "Sir" or "Madam", and to use "you" "all" etc., ?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10724959/Police-officers-told-use-gender-neutral-forms-address-new-guidance.html

"a government funded report has urged NHS hospitals to use terms such as "frontal birth" instead of vaginal birth"

Surely a caesarian is more 'frontal' than a vaginal birth.

Why would the police need to know all that stuff about people's sexual orientation anyway? I don't see it's any of their business.

Like so much in this ‘debate’, that has already gone out of date, to be replaced by a unicorn (unless that, too, has now been superseded by something else). ‘Intersex’ has gone, and ‘sex assigned at birth’ has come in.

If things stayed the same, ‘some people’ would be out of work, so everything keeps changing and those who buy into it all have to keep referring to the self-appointed experts to find out what’s in and what’s out.

Still, it keeps people in work, doesn’t it? ?

Norfolk Police Constabulary have "helpfully" introduced the "Genderbread Person", as they think there are 37 different genders nowadays....?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10771349/Norfolk-Constabulary-issues-inclusive-language-list-37-sexual-identities-genders.html

I've been out all day so missed AQ/AA (and I keep forgetting it's Saturday!), but I can't imagine how having more transwomen in parliament would 'balance things out'.

If anything, it would ensure that things continue to be run by males, but give the appearance that women are being allowed in on the action, wouldn't it? But that can't be the aim, as that would be patriarchal, wouldn't it? And that's not what the trans agenda is about, is it? Perish the thought.

Bit off piste but relevant I think.
Did anyone hear the caller to any answers today who was responding to the MP viewing porn in Parliament issue? The caller started by asking what the problem was, the MP ‘wasn’t doing anything illegal’, why did the female MP intrude by looking at his phone?
Anita A asked the caller if she’d be ok with sitting next to a man who was viewing porn on his phone. She wouldn’t look but if it was such close proximity, she ‘may move if she didn’t like it’. Anita A asked why she, the woman should move?
The caller went on to say she wouldn’t like to see more women in Parliament. Made negative comments the said Parliament needs more trans women to balance things out
Aibu to believe the women calling is a transwoman?

Gossamerbeynon1945

Doodledog - I agree with everything you have said. Imagine giving birth through a penis - it's hystercial! How does it work anatomically?

It doesn't .

Transmen are women who want to be men, but because of their female bodies can get pregnant. I don't have figures, but I can't imagine that many women simultaneously 'know that they are men', have sex as woman and go on to get pregnant, but nevertheless, the move to change the language in maternity wards is to avoid 'triggering' transmen, who don't want to be reminded of the fact that they are women by being included in the female terminology that surrounds maternity. They want so-called 'gender-neutral' language to be used instead, with mothers referred to as 'birth givers' and so on.

Nobody is suggesting that men are actually giving birth - transmen are not men, any more than transwomen are women; but their fantasy that this is the case is driving the agenda, as in so much of what goes on in the name of trans.

So do I. It must be impossible!

Gossamerbeynon1945

Doodledog - I agree with everything you have said. Imagine giving birth through a penis - it's hystercial! How does it work anatomically?

Painfully I hope!???

"hysterical" I can't type anymore!