the law as it stands on sex - part 3

Which, of course they don’t. Their whole agenda is misogynist and built on a total lack of respect for women.

I won't use 'cis' either, don't like using 'natal' but figure it's less triggering to the TRAs than 'real' which is more accurate in common parlance. 'Cis' to me is a demeaning insult but the TRAs use it all the time, it's almost like they have no respect or consideration.

Isn't it odd that natal women mustn't use the term 'women' but have to be cervix havers, vagina owners, birthing people etc but transwomen are women and can use the term freely? The only time we can use the term 'women' is when we are including men.
This is one of the reasons why I am so adamant about not ever using 'cis'. I always refer to women as women (I'm such a radical ) and to transwomen as transwomen.

Good article, thanks for the link FarNorth

Isn't it odd that natal women mustn't use the term 'women' but have to be cervix havers, vagina owners, birthing people etc but transwomen are women and can use the term freely? The only time we can use the term 'women' is when we are including men.

That’s an amazing article. It’s frightening that so many people when they say trans women are women actually believe that a magic wand can change someone’s sex.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry, so I'll laugh ?.

The whole chickdick/boydick thing is straight outta Jerry Springer The Opera. No wonder they were embarrassed.

An article by Judith Woods on the recent WPUK meeting in Bristol.

archive.ph/M7QT6

"A young woman with aquamarine hair is striding around with a megaphone leading a call and response, as a policewoman watches from a distance on a Bristol street.

“Trans rights are human rights!”
The motley crowd of students answer as one: “Trans rights are human rights!”

“Protect trans students!”
“Protect trans students!” they parrot.

Then she gets a little over-aerated: “Terfs can suck my boy d---.”
Nobody says a word, they just shuffle uncomfortably."

Yes, I too hope that this can be nipped in the bud.

Good about the productive meeting Mollygo, at least they've had to acknowledge the situation. Hope your cynicism turns out to be unfounded, and something is enacted immediately.

Re 04.05 @ 9:47
Productive meeting.
Something is going to be done! Forgive my cynicism but I’ll wait and see what happens.

A protection racket is precisely what it is FarNorth; I'm desperately hoping that Allison wins her case and that Stonewall is exposed for the misogynistic, anti gay bullies that they are. They've hung out to dry the very minorities of society that they were set up to support. I wish them a speedy, and catastrophic, downfall for all the harm they've caused Allison, Maya, Kathleen and many others.

Allison Bailey speaking in court.

"Allison Bailey: Stonewall’s activism is ‘like protection racket’"

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/allison-bailey-stonewall-activism-charity-lgbtq-protection-racket-gc9g660kj?shareToken=7d50a4a6e868942eda46d2a9698e695d&fbclid=IwAR0SubeBTkb0ECqc7qqjDIwfeE6jCe1OULre-6FeQq_XwU58S3xJinlGObg

Does anyone know what is in the GSE curriculum to be taught about this subject?

Can’t add further info at the moment as this is being looked into as it’s all news to them!!!!

Where is this, Mollygo? Who is doing this?

What?

That’s really worrying, but is the logical extension of so-called ‘gender’ identity, isn’t it? If you ‘behave as/live as/feel like’ a woman, you are a woman, and ditto a man. The trouble is that nobody can say what behaving like/living as or feeling like a woman actually means - that is something that others have to just accept, or be accused of transphobia, racism or whatever.

It’s insidious. As many of us have said, ‘feeling like’ a woman is meaningless - what it means to me may well be different from what it means to others reading this, but once the TRAs get to force others to accept the concept they can start to define it, and also to define what it is not, which is clearly dangerous to anyone who believes that being a woman should not be something that needs the approval of the patriarchy.

Is it OK that 6th formers are telling 12 year olds when they should be having sex? That they are a-romantic and a-sexual? That if they’re not into make-up they are displaying as transmen?
Is it right that they should be telling the girls not to tell their parents?
I’m going into school later this morning to discuss what they think grooming and sexual bullying means.

This rape survivor, "Sarah" is suing a Brighton based rape support charity, for allowing TW's to access their (previously) "female only" support /therapy groups, and by them not offering a separate service for biological females only..

"Sarah, who is now married and in her 40s, requested a support group for those who were born female but said the organisation ‘made it really clear they can’t offer me any help’.

The Survivors’ Network’s trans inclusive policy states its women-only services are available to any ‘self-identifying woman’.

This is defined as ‘an individual that feels their gender identity is a woman, irrespective of the gender they were assigned at birth’. " ?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10779947/Rape-victims-legal-fight-transgender-woman-allowed-access-female-support-group.html

Doodledog

*Please could those posters, who kept reassuring us that trans women are no danger to women prisoners because they've made specialist prison wings for them, come back and explain how this is clearly not the case, as of today's date?*

They can't, Chewbacca. It's the 5th Amendment defence that saying anything might prove the case against them.

I read Chewbacca’s post with horror, but Doodledog I think you’re right, but in their place, I would stay as silent as those posters you mention, rather than defend the indefensible.

Please could those posters, who kept reassuring us that trans women are no danger to women prisoners because they've made specialist prison wings for them, come back and explain how this is clearly not the case, as of today's date?

They can't, Chewbacca. It's the 5th Amendment defence that saying anything might prove the case against them.

Annie found out that the second man in the female prison was convicted of murder. Neither man was in any kind of transition process, and had fully intact male bodies, according to her. And yet, she says, “women who are traumatized and vulnerable are having to be naked and shower with men in their spaces, and some decided not to shower at all,” as prison cells don’t have showers - the women share a communal facility for that.

Afraid of rape, Annie asked a prison doctor for a contraceptive coil, something she never wanted or needed before.

“Soon, I need to make another appointment to have this device removed, which fills me with dread due to being a rape and sexual assault survivor. I can't believe I have to go through this again, four years after leaving prison, it almost feels like another violation on my body that I didn’t want, and as usual it stems from men.”
“I didn’t want to see men there but I did. I didn’t want to share showers with men but I was forced to. I didn’t want to see men prance about naked in my shower area yet there they were doing just that,” Annie said. “There is no escaping these men from morning until night and unless women refuse to work and remain in their cells they can't be safe.”

Annie also recounted that, while waiting to see her children, she was locked in a holding cell with one of the men with no prison officer. She said that female prisoners can’t challenge the policies, or they will be punished. “A woman can be charged, a woman can be written up which affects too many things to mention. She can have privileges withdrawn. She can be locked in her cell for longer than the usual 23 hours. She can have visitation removed.”

Please could those posters, who kept reassuring us that trans women are no danger to women prisoners because they've made specialist prison wings for them, come back and explain how this is clearly not the case, as of today's date?

It used to be (and might still be), a legal obligation in respect of the prison authorities/government to provide a "duty of care" to all prisoners, and prison officers.

If sexual offenders, with a penis, are running around in female prisons, especially in places like shower areas, they must be failing in this.?

The statistics on women prisoners won’t surprise anyone whose had even a passing involvement with women in prison. Desperate places for inhabitants and staff who work there
Most women get short sentences for offences like shop lifting. I’m not minimising the crime, but the reality is they’re stealing either/and to fund drug habits/put food on the table.

The information about trans women in prison, 60% with a current or past history of sex offences is another thing thst sadly doesn’t surprise me. How anyone can justify -lacing these individuals in a women’s prison is beyond me.

If necessary, use a wing in a male prison, like they do with rule 43 prisoners

“Women in prison are widely recognized to have experienced significant trauma before they are even placed in custody, trauma unique to their sex. About 70% have suffered child sex abuse, rape, domestic violence or a combination of those things. In one prison, HMP Drake Hall, 65% of the women were found to have suffered traumatic brain injuries, overwhelmingly as the result of domestic violence.”

According to Patricia, there were 158 males in prison (England and Wales) in 2021 who identified as women. “About 60% had a current or previous history of sex offenses,” she said. "There are nine males with GRCs and they are held in women’s prisons, including one who is known to be a sex offender."

This link is the story of 3 women, who are currently in UK prisons, with men who say they are women, and how they are so afraid that they are no longer taking a shower:

4w.pub/female-prisoners-forced-to-share-showers-with-intact-males/

FarNorth

I think it's time politicians were asked 'What is a man?'
Perhaps that would concentrate their minds more than the airy-fairy concept of 'woman'.

I'm repeating myself, but here is Egard's ad on the subject - and there is a comment "Notice how they did it without bashing women"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_HL0wiK4Zc

and, in case you missed it, Egard's "What is a woman?"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_JXZuXxc3M