the law as it stands on sex - part 3

I'm not comfortable with my name being in an OP either.

I should have a choice on whether or not I want to be part of a new thread on any subject.

Neither trisher or I are official spokespersons. We don't get paid to answer questions or give our time to these threads and the frequent demands on that time is demonstrated clearly by putting our names in an OP of a thread we haven't joined by choice.

Especially when most questions have already been answered many times and it seems to either be a case of, our answers are disregarded or trying to catch us out.

Here is my position

I agree with the law as it stands.

I agree there are issues with how that law has been interpretated in some areas.

I agree with womens rights to safe spaces and equality of opportunity in sports or any other area.

I don't agree trans people asserting their rights takes away anything from women and I don't believe the majority of trans people, who are just trying to live their authentic lives are responsible for creating the issues. I believe trans people in general aren't responsible for the actions of a few "trans activists" doing harm the same way I am not responsible for the actions of a few extremist women causing harm to trans people.

I no longer want to be part of this thread.

Mollygo

trisher

I don't think trans matters are a joke.

Trisher, I totally agree.
I think trans matters are a really serious issue.
These threads, whether they question the safety of AHF, even at the hands of a small number of TW, or make a joke of it by asking me to play “spot the trans”
when it isn’t the issue of what they look like but whether they misrepresent themselves as females to the detriment of natal women, or as you rather (in my opinion) insist on saying cis women, in places where males should not be.

But reporting a thread where issues are raised about female safety being threatened and male cheating endorsed . . . ?

See my answer to Lollipop

Lollipop1

Trisher, dear, whatever happened to free speech. This is an excellent thread.

Thread can remain without posting my name in the OP I assume I have the right not to parucipate?

trisher

I don't think trans matters are a joke.

Trisher, I totally agree.
I think trans matters are a really serious issue.
These threads, whether they question the safety of AHF, even at the hands of a small number of TW, or make a joke of it by asking me to play “spot the trans”
when it isn’t the issue of what they look like but whether they misrepresent themselves as females to the detriment of natal women, or as you rather (in my opinion) insist on saying cis women, in places where males should not be.

But reporting a thread where issues are raised about female safety being threatened and male cheating endorsed . . . ?

Trisher, dear, whatever happened to free speech. This is an excellent thread.

I don't think trans matters are a joke. I do think the people who perpetuate these threads are a joke. I've reported the thread. I object to having my name used in an OP when quite frankly I've heard all I need to hear from the gender critical on here. And I choose to disengage from them. They are funny, the results of the hate they spread isn't.

Thanks for starting part 3 Doodledog.

grumppa

The notice actually refers to bathrooms. Is this just a creepy euphemism, or are more than lavatories involved?

I think it's just toilets, but there's probably no euphemism .

It's almost certainly exactly as DL says - the University is scared of being labelled transphobic and has capitulated to the Stonewall agenda, regardless of the impact on the majority of students who would prefer to have privacy and dignity. As ever, the noisy minority gets its way.

It's interesting that it was DL's grandson who commented, as women use the lavatories for purposes other than the obvious (I'm thinking of menstrual necessities, here), and things like Mooncups really do require privacy to deal with. Men may well have their own needs for privacy, too, and would probably feel a bit awkward if they happened on a woman washing one next to them in the sink. There is really no need to put young people in positions like that. These days so many have delicate mental health to start with, and I can only see this sort of thing making social anxiety worse.

I could understand there being additional gender-neutral toilets - it would be genuinely (as opposed to euphemistically) unkind to ask young transwomen, who are already confused, to use the gents' dressed as a woman, but these should not replace the single sex ones, and shouldn't reduce the number of women's loos either, which is usually what happens. We need more, not fewer toilets, but always seem to end up sacrificing ours to men and children.

The notice actually refers to bathrooms. Is this just a creepy euphemism, or are more than lavatories involved?

Well done for starting the third thread Doodledog.

We were left with several unanswered questions and I have certainly learned a lot from the informed contributions that have been made.

There should have been a consultation DL then at least everyone would have felt they'd been listened too.

Doodledog. I think sometimes some feel too anxious/concerned/worried to enforce any rights.

My grandson attends Plymouth Uni, and the toilets are now gender neutral, with attached sign on the doors.

Some of the males and female students don't actually want this, and weren't consulted.

They just prefer the previous system of male/female facilities, for privacy.

But a noisy minority have insisted upon it, and everyone, including the University, are too concerned about repercussions to argue.