the law as it stands on sex - part 3

Yes, some historic female rights are being trampled on.

Recent publicity will hopefully now shine a light on this.

It's a well known distraction technique. Everyone debating what was typed/said, but not the subject.

True. Let’s get back to the topic of the thread(s)?

So. We hear that transpeople asking for what they see as their rights will not violate the rights of others. What do people think about the following situations? Are the rights of women being violated, or should the rights of transwomen take precedence?

Women want the right to undress in a single sex environment but transwomen, as members of the opposite sex ask for the right to enter that environment.

Women want the right to compete fairly in a sport that they have trained for for years, but transwomen, who have stronger and differently proportioned bodies, feel that they have the right to compete against them.

Women want the right to have agency over who touches them intimately but transwomen insist on their right not to have to declare their male sex to female patients/clients.

Janamax

Am I the only one finding this thread ridiculously complicated and confusing?

Stick around. You really need to have read parts one and two for it to make some sort of sense.

Am I the only one finding this thread ridiculously complicated and confusing?

Mollygo

I answer on here to a variety of autocorrects or mistypes, including one poster’s favourite Molygo. I thought it happened by accident, but evidently, not.
Be warned! From henceforth all autocorrects, mistypes etc. will be seen as intentional, by order of . . .

True. I answer to Doodle and Doodlebug, as well as my own name. I know that Doodle and Doodlebug are both posters, which makes it worse . I never correct people who get it wrong - it’s so easy to mistype or get autocorrected, and there is no edit button, so we’re stuck with it when we click ‘post’.

Doodle and Doodlebug have my sympathy though - I didn’t know you were here when I registered. My first choice (Suedenim) was taken, and I plucked Doodledog out of the air without checking.

I have re-read my OP several times to see what I have done wrong, and can’t find anything.

I quoted my own post - what can be wrong with that? I then pointed out that I don’t find trans issues funny, in response to a comment from trisher on thread 2, where she said something like ‘It’s funny but . . .’ promised to try not to refer to her as an ‘ally’ and asked her not to use the term ‘cis’.

I then quoted VS (again from thread 2) and asked for clarification of her statement that the rights of one group never violate the rights of another, and gave examples. I dion’t understand why that is seen as offensive. Are we simply to accept VS’s comments without question? It’s a discussion board - she has the opportunity to respond to my points if she thinks they are wrong, as of course has anyone else who wishes to do so.

I find some of the rules on here vague at times, but I have looked, and can find nothing to say that one shouldn’t start a new thread when a previous one runs out (we were already on thread 2), or that we shouldn’t quote or use a poster’s name in the OP of a thread. I genuinely don’t understand the fuss, and would like it on the record that it was not my intention to cause offence.

I answer on here to a variety of autocorrects or mistypes, including one poster’s favourite Molygo. I thought it happened by accident, but evidently, not.
Be warned! From henceforth all autocorrects, mistypes etc. will be seen as intentional, by order of . . .

I havent reported the thread, I said i would wait and see if i needed to as it was already reported.

I am not engaging in the discussion. Just pointing out the issues and responding to comments with my name in them and asking that I be allowed to move on from a discussion that is still misrepresenting me unfairly.

Chewbacca

With respect vs, since posting at 13.16 to announce that you no longer wanted to be a part of this thread, and would not be engaging with it or it's posters, you've since posted 8 more times to confirm that you no longer want to be a part of this thread and will not be engaging with its posters. Doodledog has explained that she simply copied and pasted the final post from thread #2 to be start off thread #3. She apologised if that was not within GNHQ guidelines. But as you've reported the thread to GNHQ, why don't you just leave it to them now to decide if indeed guidelines have been broken and whether we will need to start a new thread #3? It will save you popping backwards and forwards to tell us that you no longer want to be a part of this thread and will not be engaging with its posters.

It's a well known distraction technique. Everyone debating what was typed/said, but not the subject.

Boris Johnson uses it all the time lol ?

With respect vs, since posting at 13.16 to announce that you no longer wanted to be a part of this thread, and would not be engaging with it or it's posters, you've since posted 8 more times to confirm that you no longer want to be a part of this thread and will not be engaging with its posters. Doodledog has explained that she simply copied and pasted the final post from thread #2 to be start off thread #3. She apologised if that was not within GNHQ guidelines. But as you've reported the thread to GNHQ, why don't you just leave it to them now to decide if indeed guidelines have been broken and whether we will need to start a new thread #3? It will save you popping backwards and forwards to tell us that you no longer want to be a part of this thread and will not be engaging with its posters.

an OP that misrepresents my views to others reading I thought I'd already disabused you of this assertion.
Are you denying that Thats exactly what was said any time anyone asked for their rights... Others complained it violated theirs. It didn't and it doesn't is a direct quote from your post on the 2nd thread? That's all you're quoted as saying. Doodledog then went on to explain how some transwomen's actions and demands do violate women's rights, refuting your statement. I can't see how you don't understand that, it's very clear.

VioletSky

Trasher is not a real word, this is not autocorrect at work.

I no longer want to be part of these discussions where me and my views are misrepresented and have been saying so since the beginning of the second thread.

I would ask respectfully that my name is left out of it.

The decent thing to do would be to restart the thread without an OP that misrepresents my views to others reading and that leaves me out of the new discussion entirely.

But you are not "out of it" as you have posted.

Which is your choice.

PS: Trasher is a word, according to Apple, who control the I gadgets, and according to a dictionary:

"noun Informal. a person who trashes something, especially in anger or protest."

www.dictionary.com/browse/trasher

Will the TRAs and their allies be their to pick up the pieces I wonder? I doubt it. Normally it's said there's only a 'very few' which without the figures nobody knows. I thought that came out during the Kiera Bell case, that no follow ups are done, people are processed on a conveyer belt with absolutely no forward or backward regard. At each stage there is a complete lack of any collecting of data to process eventual outcomes. Didn't the Tavistock have to admit they had no idea how many children that passed through their hands to be prescribed puberty blockers then went on to cross sex hormone treatment, let alone surgery?

Chewbacca...at various stages of my teenage daughter's adolescence she was convinced that being taller (she's a short arse like me), having curly hair, having a bigger bust etc would make her happy.

I paid for a perm, told her she'd never be taller, and that a boob job could wait until she could pay for it.

She's now mid 40's, happy with her straight hair, and happy with her bust lol.....but still a short arse.?

My iPhone dies similar typos MollyGo; no matter how many times I type "Keir Starmer" I have to go back and correct it from Starker!

Trasher is not a real word, this is not autocorrect at work.

I no longer want to be part of these discussions where me and my views are misrepresented and have been saying so since the beginning of the second thread.

I would ask respectfully that my name is left out of it.

The decent thing to do would be to restart the thread without an OP that misrepresents my views to others reading and that leaves me out of the new discussion entirely.

That's the issue isn't it Diamond? Young people who are still discovering who they are, whereabouts they fit in the world and wondering whether their feelings and emotions are "normal", appear have been frog marched into gender reassignment clinics with little done to support them until they're absolutely 100% sure that they do want to alter their bodies for the rest of their lives. This is encouraging:

Javid is understood to be preparing legal changes that would give Cass access to an NHS database of children treated by the service to see how many later regretted taking puberty-blockers and less reversible cross-sex hormones.^

“The review has already come across a number of adults that were given these life-changing drugs as children and are now saying, ‘Why did you do that? Because that wasn’t my problem.

I can't help but wonder how many claims will there be in the future, from adult patients who were wrongly advised to undertake gender reassignment treatment, when they were too young to fully appreciate what they were doing? Will the TRAs and their allies be their to pick up the pieces I wonder?

I think the trish to trash was my post. It was an auto correct mistake, although it usually autocorrects to trush and I usually notice and sort it.

VS choose which threads we join. . .
I note you are still choosing to join this thread.

Dishonesty where males misrepresent themselves as females in specific circumstances?

Rosie51

Thanks Chewbacca for that link. I hope all this sunlight on this subject will lead to far better care for children and adolescents. They can start with stopping the absolute lie that puberty blockers are 'fully reversible' they're not. Even where they can be deemed medically necessary as in the case of precocious puberty they are used for the absolute minimum of time, because of their effects on a growing body.

I would have moved Heaven and Earth to keep my kids away from all this.

Teenagers are often flaky, wanting changes of all sorts, but most grow out of it.?

VioletSky

I no longer wish to engage with people who misrepresent me and my views, especially in an OP.

I think this is an important subject, that women and trans women have needs that matter both where those needs are the same and where those needs differ.

Ive been very patient in explaining my position despite assertions to the contrary and tried to find ways forward that do not infringe on anyones rights.

However I have now reached my limit.

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VioletSky

I no longer wish to engage with people who misrepresent me and my views, especially in an OP.

I think this is an important subject, that women and trans women have needs that matter both where those needs are the same and where those needs differ.

Ive been very patient in explaining my position despite assertions to the contrary and tried to find ways forward that do not infringe on anyones rights.

However I have now reached my limit.

Obviously, you have the absolute right not to post on a thread.

Do what makes you happy. ?

Try to rise above it Doodledog; these threads have uncovered so much information that we've been able to share with an increasing number of posters who are similarly concerned about the erosion of women and children's rights. It's the sharing of information and data that we all come across that gives me optimism that the general public are slowly waking up to what's being going on whilst we all looked the other way.

Thanks Chewbacca for that link. I hope all this sunlight on this subject will lead to far better care for children and adolescents. They can start with stopping the absolute lie that puberty blockers are 'fully reversible' they're not. Even where they can be deemed medically necessary as in the case of precocious puberty they are used for the absolute minimum of time, because of their effects on a growing body.

However I have now reached my limit. Does this statement mean that you're no longer participating in the discussions or is it another threat please vs?

Rosie51

VS I will not engage in a dishonest discussion where the very OP misrepresents me and my views. that is a very unjust and untrue accusation to make against Doodledog who quoted you
Thats exactly what was said any time anyone asked for their rights... Others complained it violated theirs. It didn't and it doesn't
and then she went on to say how transwomen insisting on using single sex facilities, and wanting the right to compete in women's sports does violate women's rights. Your It didn't and it doesn't is being refuted. You owe her an apology.

Thank you, Rosie.

I was genuinely just trying to continue a discussion that came to an end because of the post limit. No other agenda, and definitely no misrepresentation. It is really not my style.

Nor is any sort of deliberate mistyping of someone’s name. I know I could go back and look to see if the typo VS refers to was one of mine, but I really cba, and nor can I honestly believe that someone would bring something like that up. It’s all a bit childish - I’m reporting you/you called my friend a name.

I very much doubt that I will get an apology, but you never know.