Will you vote Tory next time?

Also in what way is Labour mysoginistic?

The only time I have seen Labour accused of that is in relation to trans issues... Which then only related to trans women, no one seems to care about trans men

How can trans issues in that regard show a deep abiding hatred for women when the trans people in that scenario are asking to be accepted as women...

I don't understand

They aren’t an effective opposition are they? Quick to criticise but no constructive suggestions.

volver

It's like a broken record.

True though?

Labour haven't been in power for 12 years.

How can they have been ineffective.

Please show your working

Quite honestly I cannot bring myself to vote for any party at the moment, I’d rather spoil my voting paper than vote Tory, or heaven forbid, for Labour who have proved to be misogynistic and ineffective.

It's like a broken record.

I seem to recall you had a bit of a problem in Scotland with care home deaths during the pandemic - where the SNP are in charge of devolved matters including health?

Germanshepherdsmum

So the stories caused the pandemic, the consequent delays in hospital treatment, the global rise in oil and gas prices, and global inflation? Perhaps you could lay the war in Ukraine at their feet too?

The Tories handled the pandemic disgracefully, haven't funded the NHS for years, haven't managed the actions of the oil and gas companies, have caved to their influence and our inflation rate is currently twice that of France's (for instance). And our PM timed his visit to Kyiv very well to remind everyone what a great guy he was, just before he was found to have broken the law.

So no, they didn't cause any of these things. But they haven't handled them properly either.

Tories not stories.

So the stories caused the pandemic, the consequent delays in hospital treatment, the global rise in oil and gas prices, and global inflation? Perhaps you could lay the war in Ukraine at their feet too?

Just about everything in the UK is now in crisis, in a state of collapse. Events haven't caused this. The Tories have. Make no mistake.

Just seen this thread. Consequently I haven't read it all, but in answer to the OP question,

NO, and I didn't last time or the one before that either!

varian It was interesting watching the OpenDemocracy discussion you recommended, to learn that the right wing press studiously ignored Oborne's book. Essentially not wanting to publicise anything which exposes Johnson's compulsive and historical dishonesty because, of course, they were and are collaborators in it.

Repeating your link here if I may:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBVCIT7Wn8k

They are varian, but their influence is diminishing as younger people get their news elsewhere.

The right wing press are shameless, ruthleess and very effective.

Exactly. This is the whole 'anyone but JC' argument. Which was empty and fed by the right-wing media and propaganda. Because the bloke, the 'anyone but' continues to work in food banks and support religious organisations of any denomination (including Jewish) despite being totally out of the spotlight now. It always was a strawman argument and used to excuse a right-wing, exclusionary belief system.

But varian, anyone you spoke to would have to be ‘shame-faced’.
Tories I know are not discussing politics-so could well be shame-faced by implication. I know I was by implication when Jeremy Corbyn was in leading Labour.

I was not specifically aiming my response at Allsorts just commenting on the shame-faced Tories I have spoken to recently.

Perhaps it would have better to put that in your post @ 17.33 varian as it did look rather pointed immediately following Allsort's post, which is why I commented.

You may not be a shame-faced Tory voter Smileless. For all I know you may be pleased to support a corrupt and incompetent government.

The shame-faced Tory supporters I am talking about are people I have actually met.

They are apologetic and make these feeble excuses. I have heard it many times. Because of where I live and the people I tend to meet, they are mostly readers of the Daily Mail, The Telegraph, or - in at least one case - the Daily Express.

These right wing newspapers have formed their views over many years but their credibility has recently been stretched to its limits.

People are entitled to vote as they wish varian. There's no need to refer to anyone as shame faced or accuse them of making feeble excuses.

I am just enjoying the sunshine in Spain

So what is the Conservative Party manifesto that’s so great? And what is so great about it’s leader?

I have heard this feeble excuse for voting Tory by shamefaced voters many times -"there's no one else" or the other one "all politicians are the same"

There are other parties and none are as corrupt and incompetent as the Conservatives.

No other party is led by a habitual liar who doesn't care what harm he inflicts on the country as long as he can hang on to power.

Not all politicians are the same. Whether you agree with them or not, Ed Davey, Kier Starmer, Caroline Lucas and even Nicola Sturgeon are all decent serious politicians who I believe are trying to do what they see as the best thing for the country.

Who else is there ? So Yes . However if another party had a good leader and a manifesto. I could be swayed.