Would 'The People' accept a highly redacted and incomplete report from Ms Gray?

I'm sorry Allsorts but i'm not sure what your point is.
I think the public will be fed only the bits Johnson wants them to hear. He is not trustworthy and I feel that as Curly wurly says he has lost all respect and will never be able to get it back again.

Let’s see what the report says. I understand his little daughter has Covid.

rosie1959

And even if the the report is totally complete there will be some that do not accept the findings if it doesn't say what they want to hear

Depends what the results are. If exonerated there will certainly be many who won’t accept the result. It could be sworn on in a court of Law, they still wouldn’t accept it.

I await with interest the timing the publication of the bits of information contained in the report that the Tories would like the public to see.

People will be sceptical. Some more than others.

And even if the the report is totally complete there will be some that do not accept the findings if it doesn't say what they want to hear

He's toast.

How is he 'toast', curlywurly?

No-one can get rid of him.

The 1922 Committee can only sack him as leader of the tory party. They can't deprive him of the Premiership. He could hang on in there for the next 3 years as PM.

The queen does have technical power to dismiss a PM if they are 'behaving unconstitutionally' but it's unlikely that she'd use it.

The opposition parties could call for a vote of no confidence, but with the tory majority would they win it?

Would he do the decent thing and resign? Well... is it likely that Johnson could do a decent thing?

Kali2

The point is, Ladyleftfieldlover- is that many of us believe, that he even attempts to fiddle with the report- 'the People' will revolt!

We have to hope, Kali2, that copies will be taken of the report and lodged somewhere with high security. Not No. 10!

The point is, Ladyleftfieldlover- is that many of us believe, that he even attempts to fiddle with the report- 'the People' will revolt!

Of course we won’t hear the full story. Johnson, according to today’s Guardian, will receive the complete report and then decide personally on the amount of detail to be made public. (P.7) you really couldn’t make it up.

The report is already toothless. I agree that there are more important things to concern us but I am fearful of leaving it to Johnson when important decisions have to be made about Russia.

I think the report will probably be redacted (a lot!) and we won't get to hear the full story, but, I think most people have already made up their minds as to what really happened (there is enough evidence and facts already out there). Johnson is stuffed whatever we get to hear (or not); no one believes his ridiculous excuse that he didn't know the rules (that he made). If the report exonerates him, most people will just say it's a whitewash. He's toast.

I hope you're right, Kali2.
Watch this space, I suppose.

Petera

EllanVannin

Why worry about what's happening with Russia when you have this partygate etc ?

Because the people who will have to make the ultimate decisions about Russia are showing that they can't even organise a piss-up in their back garden?

This, thank you (tragic as it is).

Miss Adventure, I truly do not think this will be the case this time. 100%.

The people will accept whatever old tripe they're told.
As per usual, because that is how this government works.
They really don't care.

I can help but wondering how easy it has been for Sue Gray to access relevant information. Is it conceivable that there has been quite a bit of deleting of text messages/emails etc by some MPs at the time they knew that Sue Gray was going to investigate? Surely not!

EllanVannin

Why worry about what's happening with Russia when you have this partygate etc ?

Because the people who will have to make the ultimate decisions about Russia are showing that they can't even organise a piss-up in their back garden?

I wouldn’t trust Johnson to deliver a jelly on a plate he s say it was Xavier and half the people round them table would believe him !!!

No

After all of the lies and evasion, only the full report will do

MaizieD

EllanVannin

Whitewavemark2 it'll be more of a worry if we have no leader at all given the imminence with Russia. It takes time electing a new leader, plus who do we have in place under the circumstances who could deal with a situation of impending trouble ?

What are you worrying about? We have a deputy PM. Dominic Raab can hold the fort. Probably from a beach somewhere in the sun using his mobile phone... What could possibly go wrong?

Oh and Liz Truss- I feel all warm and cozy in that knowledge now (NOT!!!)

No

Aveline

No we won't be satisfied with redacted documents from government just as we're dissatisfied with the redacted docs we always seem to get from Scottish 'government'.
We want transparency from all elected politicians.

David Allen Green did an interesting blog on that point yesterday:

Transparency is of limited import unless it can be enforced against the will of those with political power.

And here we have the further problem – especially in the United Kingdom – of traditions and structures that make it almost impossible for anyone outside public bodies to find out what is going on – unless those with public power allow it.

Here one can point to, for example, official secrets legislation that is as tough as freedom of information legislation is weak.

We have well-resourced taxpayer-funded government press offices that will not tell the media anything unless it suits the government of the day.

We have weekly lies and non-answers in parliamentary debates.

And so on, and so on.

There is almost nothing which anyone outside government can do to force this transparency.

There's more on 'possible' remedies

davidallengreen.com/2022/01/accountability-needs-transparency-and-both-need-to-be-enforceable-by-legal-remedies/

Aveline

No we won't be satisfied with redacted documents from government just as we're dissatisfied with the redacted docs we always seem to get from Scottish 'government'.
We want transparency from all elected politicians.

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No we won't be satisfied with redacted documents from government just as we're dissatisfied with the redacted docs we always seem to get from Scottish 'government'.
We want transparency from all elected politicians.

EllanVannin

Whitewavemark2 it'll be more of a worry if we have no leader at all given the imminence with Russia. It takes time electing a new leader, plus who do we have in place under the circumstances who could deal with a situation of impending trouble ?

What are you worrying about? We have a deputy PM. Dominic Raab can hold the fort. Probably from a beach somewhere in the sun using his mobile phone... What could possibly go wrong?