Misogyny

All these new fangled words!
Reem, thicc, sick, misogyny, mysandry...
I'm well jel.

Fennel

I just want to thank everyone prompting me to look up mysandry and mysogny . Is it from the Greek?

It is but it is a fairly new word - if you count about 150 years old new, Fennel.

I agree that there are far worse things to worry about but sometimes it's good to seek a diversion.

good question JaneJudge

are you talking to yourself pinnywinch?

Shortlegs

And....boom! There it is, the daily swipe at the government. Well done grannies.

If a white person is racist are all white people racist? Obviously not.
I'm afraid lumping everyone with a certain characteristic or upbringing in to one pot is just ridiculous, but unfortunately quite common these days - and yes, I had a private education as did my siblings. We straddle the political spectrum - so the type of education a person has, has sod all to do with their beliefs.

He also said that the sea was closed when he was on holiday in Cyprus! His various gaffs just make him sound thick to be honest

Caro57

Why are so many people so aggressive in their attitude to private education? My parents moved heaven and earth and sacrificed SO much to give my DB and I a private education because they believed (right or wrong) that it would give us the best start in life. We are both grounded realistic people who are aware of what goes on in society today

I suppose those of us whose parents thought like this (and "sacrificed") came from families who were grounded.

Maybe if you aren't struggling to afford it - if public school is an obvious and easy choice with easy payments etc - maybe then you aren't?

Just wondering.

Well said. It really irritates me when people associate beliefs such as mysoginist to income and politics. It has sod all to do with it. Most men I know who appear to hate women are so called working class, with no further education, so called socialist and on a low income.

I know a lot of people who aren't socialists and not mysoginists.
I also know people who are on a wage below basic and are mysoginistic. In fat, quite a lot of so called socialist men are mysoginists. This has nothing to do with income or politics! Some men are just mysoginists.

Why are so many people so aggressive in their attitude to private education? My parents moved heaven and earth and sacrificed SO much to give my DB and I a private education because they believed (right or wrong) that it would give us the best start in life. We are both grounded realistic people who are aware of what goes on in society today

So did you go to one and know through experience or lumping everyone in the same group? Isn't that what mysoginists do when they comment on 'women'?

Head boy you say. Leader of the pack would be more suitable

I attended a public school (private for US GN?) went to a good university
BUT I am a socialist, voted Remain and although a lawyer by trade have opted to work for a rights based charity so by no means earn mega pounds??‍♀️

There really is no need for rudeness EW.

You can't go to 'Oxbridge'. You can go to Oxford, or to Cambridge. A sin against the English language, but we know what you meant.

Yes' 'misogyny' refers to women. Using it for hatred both ways - man to woman and woman to man - is a sin against the English language. But we know what he meant.

Kali2

Lincslass- most of the doctors (and I know very many!), scientists and engineers- etc- I know never went to those elite Public schools, or even private, but grammar schools and even (gasp!) Comprehensives.

Yes know some from our NE local area, deprived in the official sense, one just gone to Cambridge and two to Oxford. I won’t brag who my daughter works with but some also from those elite schools. Can’t stand inverted snobbery.

Callistemon

Lots of state school pupils go to Oxbridge.
They don't all become politicians.
Just what part of misogyny has he misunderstood?

Off to check.

The bit about it being about women

I just want to thank everyone prompting me to look up mysandry and mysogny . Is it from the Greek?

There, there, dear.
Why not talk about knitting or something?

I know shortlegs we should just shut up about misogyny, silly women.

And....boom! There it is, the daily swipe at the government. Well done grannies.

I admit I didn't hear it but I think he just tripped over his words.
Far far more serious things to worry about emerged at that conference.

I don’t think it’s too much to ask that those who have had the privilege of going to elite universities should understand the meaning of words that they use.

Perhaps misandry is a word which is a recent invention by men for men to use when they are accused of being misogynistic.
Perhaps the word didn't exist when Raab was at that elite university.
"Anything you can do, I can do better
I can do anything better than you"

In fact, perhaps it was a recent Gransnet invention!

(No, I don't need an explanation of the etymology of ^misandry ?)

An important thing to learn if you are going to do any sort of public speaking is only to use words if you are certain of their meaning!

I would argur with him anyway about classing misogyny as just an insult. It can be manifested in much nastier ways.