A question

Thank you GrannyGravy13. They just can't accept that the Tories keep winning elections and are staying ahead of Labour despite everything.

How do you explain that the Conservatives including Mr.Johnson are consistently ahead in the polls (last time I looked)

I'd get banned from Gnet if I told you. It would be far more 'charming' than my response to Chestnut

You cannot constantly dismiss an seventy nine seat majority just because you do not like the Government of the day.

Yes I can. (though I don't see what that has to do with the topic of this thread). It doesn't represent the majority of voters; as I keep reminding you.

A reminder of Peter Obourne's list of Johnson's lies

boris-johnson-lies.com/

The message will get through.

Chestnut

Thank you GrannyGravy13. They just can't accept that the Tories keep winning elections and are staying ahead of Labour despite everything.

The tories didn't win the 2017 election, nor the 2010 election, so that's only two out of the four recent ones. Before that I seem to recall 13 years of perfectly competent Labour governments. I don't know what you're on, but it seems to be having an effect...

Chestnut

MayBee70 - hardly true. But constantly vilifying Boris and the Tories hardly stands up because we have no idea what sort of mess Labour would have made of it. Maybe much worse. As I said, people are so frightened of the mess Labour will make they keep voting Tory!

I can't understand this attitude Chestnut, of course it stands up. I'm not being argumentative or personal, but I really can't understand it. Many of us believe that the Johnson Government has handled the pandemic appallingly. So, of course we're going to vilify him; personally I think he is a self serving, lying charlatan with no concern for the people he is meant to be governing.

Just because somebody else might have done even worse - which we don't know of course, its just an opinion - we're not going to let the government off the hook. We must hold them to account.

As for GG13's question about how they are still ahead in the polls; well that is what this thread is all about, isn't it?

The UK has a first past the post system, we all know that.

Please do not constantly talk-down to posters who do not happen to share your political views MaizieD, it does you no favours.

MaizieD

^ As I said, people are so frightened of the mess Labour will make they keep voting Tory!^

And I say that that is a load of tribalist bollocks, Chestnut. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support that statement.

No, just everyone voting Tory, no other evidence at all!!

MaizieD

^ As I said, people are so frightened of the mess Labour will make they keep voting Tory!^

And I say that that is a load of tribalist bollocks, Chestnut. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support that statement.

Of course MaizieD you are not in the least tribalist with your brand of politics.?

Chestnut is completely correct, why does anyone think people keep on voting for the Conservatives for so many years? Labour are still well behind in the polls, and will have to do something different to win back voters for the future.
The public think the government have handled the pandemic well, any government would have struggled but if Corbyn
had been PM we wouldn’t have had a fast roll out of vaccines ( he would have waited for the EU to roll out) and he may not have given the go-ahead and all the spending that entailed to the development of AZ.
Whatever individuals on forums think, if the public thought the government was incompetent then they would be behind in the polls, not well ahead.

MakzieD I think you know that since the war the Conservatives have won considerably more elections than Labour?

Mr.Blair and Mr,Brown were known to be Tory lite and as for their competence I beg to differ.

Alegrias1

He brought BREXIT on himself and all the rest of us. He doesn't get brownie points for managing that, sorry.

Other leaders? Ardern. Biden. Merkel.

I czn't fhink of any british leaders either.

I cant spell either. Although fhink maybe correct.?

MaizieD

Chestnut

Thank you GrannyGravy13. They just can't accept that the Tories keep winning elections and are staying ahead of Labour despite everything.

The tories didn't win the 2017 election, nor the 2010 election, so that's only two out of the four recent ones. Before that I seem to recall 13 years of perfectly competent Labour governments. I don't know what you're on, but it seems to be having an effect...

No-one was willing to risk voting Labour in for 2010 and 2017! I think Cameron and May were both Conservative PMs.
As for 13 years of 'perfectly competent' Labour governments, I can't agree with that.

HolySox

Alegrias1

He brought BREXIT on himself and all the rest of us. He doesn't get brownie points for managing that, sorry.

Other leaders? Ardern. Biden. Merkel.

I czn't fhink of any british leaders either.

Well I have one in mind but the thread might self destruct if I mention her ?.

How about May, Gordon Brown, John Major. They would all have done a better job than this lot at steering the country through the pandemic.

lemongrove

MaizieD

^ As I said, people are so frightened of the mess Labour will make they keep voting Tory!^

And I say that that is a load of tribalist bollocks, Chestnut. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support that statement.

Of course MaizieD you are not in the least tribalist with your brand of politics.?

Chestnut is completely correct, why does anyone think people keep on voting for the Conservatives for so many years? Labour are still well behind in the polls, and will have to do something different to win back voters for the future.
The public think the government have handled the pandemic well, any government would have struggled but if Corbyn
had been PM we wouldn’t have had a fast roll out of vaccines ( he would have waited for the EU to roll out) and he may not have given the go-ahead and all the spending that entailed to the development of AZ.
Whatever individuals on forums think, if the public thought the government was incompetent then they would be behind in the polls, not well ahead.

You don’t know what Corbyn would have done. We do, however know how Johnson handled the pandemic and this will be verified when we eventually get a proper investigation into it.

Alegrias1

HolySox

Alegrias1

He brought BREXIT on himself and all the rest of us. He doesn't get brownie points for managing that, sorry.

Other leaders? Ardern. Biden. Merkel.

I czn't fhink of any british leaders either.

Well I have one in mind but the thread might self destruct if I mention her ?.

How about May, Gordon Brown, John Major. They would all have done a better job than this lot at steering the country through the pandemic.

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It was hardly perfectly competent to take us into a war in Iraq !

Theresa May deliberated too much over Brexit. I think the pandemic needs someone more strong willed. I think Boris has fared well in this respect.

Gordon Brown and John Major possibly although we're getting sentimental here.

Do wonder how we would have fared if Labour had pitched Keir Starmer at the last election. He seems o.k. but his current job is to challenge the government. Seems from this thread he is letting them get away with far too much ...(checks and balances)

No you don’t know Maybee and it’s no good speculating.
The fact is that at the moment, the general public think the government did a good job which is why they are doing well
( polls). No doubt there will be the ‘lessons learned’ to help in future pandemics.
There could be Conservative governments for the near future
If things continue poll wise.Batley and Spen by-election is looking good for them at the moment.

lemongrove

It was hardly perfectly competent to take us into a war in Iraq !

Quite right. Weapons of mass destruction and all that.

HolySox

Theresa May deliberated too much over Brexit. I think the pandemic needs someone more strong willed. I think Boris has fared well in this respect.

Gordon Brown and John Major possibly although we're getting sentimental here.

Do wonder how we would have fared if Labour had pitched Keir Starmer at the last election. He seems o.k. but his current job is to challenge the government. Seems from this thread he is letting them get away with far too much ...(checks and balances)

I assume you don’t watch PMQT? Difficult to challenge someone who refuses to answer a single question.

lemongrove

No you don’t know Maybee and it’s no good speculating.
The fact is that at the moment, the general public think the government did a good job which is why they are doing well
( polls). No doubt there will be the ‘lessons learned’ to help in future pandemics.
There could be Conservative governments for the near future
If things continue poll wise.Batley and Spen by-election is looking good for them at the moment.

On line there are speculations that if Labour do not win the Spen & Batley by-election then Dawn Butler is going to challenge Mr.Starmer for the Labour leadership, not sure how true this is though.

Less people would have died under May, I have no doubt of that, Johnsons character is profoundly unsuited to handling a pandemic as I think May's character was unsuited to handling Brexit.

Yes I have heard those rumours as well Grannygravy, what is going on in Batley and Spen is beyond words to be honest. I am not sure who I am most angry with.

Gordon Brown and John Major possibly although we're getting sentimental here.

If you've seen how I refer to Brown on other threads you wouldn't think I was being sentimental

I don't think Boris is strong willed. I think he'll twist in the wind and do anything to avoid taking hard decisions. Remember the "one day back at school before lockdown" debacle?

Galaxy

Yes I have heard those rumours as well Grannygravy, what is going on in Batley and Spen is beyond words to be honest. I am not sure who I am most angry with.

Did you see the angry mob confronting Ms.Leadbetter, shameful!