I do wonder- is this what the Brexiters wanted?

Try harder.
It means Brexit, like Indy2 are wanting to break free.

Urmstongran

Maybe it’s an independence thing Alegrias. Something one yearns for regardless. Like Indy2 perhaps?

I have no idea what this means in the context of the conversation.

GrannyGravy13

Those of us who can toddle off whenever/wherever are fortunate. It in no way means that we have lost the empathy gene.

Some folks horizons are further afield than the EU, they are used to paperwork and visas.

Is it necessary to be quite so indirectly sneery?

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It happened, just get on with it.

Maybe it’s an independence thing Alegrias. Something one yearns for regardless. Like Indy2 perhaps?

Those of us who can toddle off whenever/wherever are fortunate. It in no way means that we have lost the empathy gene.

Some folks horizons are further afield than the EU, they are used to paperwork and visas.

Sorry, cross post Peasblossom. I'll go and look.

Peasblossom

People voted to leave because it wasn’t working for them.

None of the rhetoric would have got anywhere if people had been happy with their lives.

Still waiting to hear how leaving the EU has improved their lives Peasblossom

Or how it ever could.

They were lied to, and they believed it.

But Kali was complaining about a lack of empathy. Nobody cares about her problems. People are just selfish and only concerned about what they want.

It does work both ways. What you give you shall receive??

I think I did post a bit above somewhere. Just a couple of immediate improvements.

As for the rest time will tell.

People voted to leave because it wasn’t working for them.

None of the rhetoric would have got anywhere if people had been happy with their lives.

Still waiting to hear how leaving the EU has improved their lives Peasblossom.

What empathy did you showfor those who weren’t doing well under membership of the EU Kali?

Or did you think ‘It’s working for me. Too bad for them.”

A bit unrealistic to think they’ll care. Why should they? You didn’t.

I do know people who voted to leave because of the bureaucracy etc - which is making itself evident now.

People voted to leave because of all the bureaucracy.

Now we've left, the bureaucracy has got worse.

Brexit logic there.

I'm delighted for anybody who's got a lovely apartment in any part of the world to which they can toddle off and have a lovely time.

I'm sure they know just how lucky they are compared with the vast majority of people in this country, or any country come to that. At least I hope they do.

Kali2

Of course it is, as they are responsible for said goal posts changing.

It's those who didn't vote - negligent and complacent.

I do know people who voted to leave because of the bureaucracy etc - which is making itself evident now.

Of course it is, as they are responsible for said goal posts changing.

I did tell the tale earlier of several of my friends from other countries and said that goalposts change, or, to put it crudely, shit happens.

And I blame the inertia of those who could not be bothered to vote.
It's no good raging at those who exercised their rights.

Of course they are not. For 2 reasons. a) I understand Urmstongran has no intention of ever living in Spain and b) they have got everything done before before 31.12.20.

So, no, not at all the same.

Excuse typos please, I am trying to silence the TV.

*What is wrong is the 'I am alright Jack attitude' re others who have made different choices. Who have worked hard and done lots of planning, and now find all the goalposts have moved. Now THAT smacks of hypocrisy and total lack ot empathy for others.^
It is not a case of 'I am alright Jack attitude' at all.

The goalposts are the same for Urmstongran as for others.

It's a question of riskzztaking too. I remember durhamjen's words when Brexit was approaching that it depends on your attitude to risk. I thought about that a lot.
I am Mrs Cautious but I'd love to be braver.

And if we all had crystal balls we'd worry even more.

Nought wrong with having a second home, and making the choice not to have lots of maintenance or a garden. Each to their own- enjoy.

What is wrong is the 'I am alright Jack attitude' re others who have made different choices. Who have worked hard and done lots of planning, and now find all the goalposts have moved. Now THAT smacks of hypocrisy and total lack ot empathy for others.

Urmstongran
Who knew that a small apartment in Malaga could generate such strong feelings.
I notice that other people on this thread are keeping quite about second homes.

I'll take a bet that those criticising Urmstongran who mention their houses and gardens that need so much constant maintenance own properties worth at least as much as both Urmonstongran's properties together.

Not saying that your two apartments are not lovely, Urmonstongran but from the few things mentioned on here, there are some extremely well-heeled posters who are often the first to criticise others' life choices!

I your vintage dining set btw.