I do wonder- is this what the Brexiters wanted?

Who accused you of that GG13?

Many people do good deeds but not all of them tell everyone about them on public internet forums....

Nothing at all wrong with that of course....I'm just trying to sort out what (who) we can criticise and what (who) we can't. Although I'm being disingenuous really....I know the rule

Oh dear would you accuse all folks who do good deeds and share them as humble bragging ?

I would love to share what my family and friends have done throughout Covid and lockdown, but I will be damned if I am going to be accused of humble bragging !!!!

OK, help me out here....

Its OK to tell people to try harder when they don't understand a post, or to accuse people of not caring about the underprivileged with no evidence at all for that, or to call other countries' Heads of State stupid when they have nothing to do with the issue at hand. But its not acceptable to point out humblebragging...

I wish somebody would just write the rules down for me....

MerylStreep

This is GN at its worst. Genuine kind people are castigated for just wanting to help less fortunate people. Shame on you all.

Totally agree.

This is GN at its worst. Genuine kind people are castigated for just wanting to help less fortunate people. Shame on you all.

growstuff you see boasting whereas others just see sharing

What has your boasting about your own generosity got to do with restrictions placed on UK citizens because the UK is no longer part of the EU?

And what have sneery comments (not you) about flats abroad got to do with anything anyway?

Ellianne

growstuff

Do you want a halo Ellianne?

Don't be silly growstuff. I am not going to lower myself to argue.
Just to say, I do "give a stuff" about others.

What has your boasting about your own generosity got to do with restrictions placed on UK citizens because the UK is no longer part of the EU?

Ellianne

Thank you, GrannyGravy, but I doubt I am the only one to share their good fortune.
Sadly I cannot change Macron's stupid new rules for those concerned, sadly I cannot make covid disappear for the world, but we can all spread a bit of happiness for others.

It's not Macron's "stupid new rules". It's about UK citizens being treated like all other non-EU visitors.

Thank you Ellianne that means a lot. We chose Normandy to make it quick and easy for family visits and this rule will make it harder. Our French friends are all shocked by it, as you know, family is hugely important here.
On a brighter note our son is about to become Spanish so there will be no form filling involved and I have told him he will be responsible for international parent rescue. ?

So we’ve agreed the new rules are down to Brexit yes ?

I do feel sorry for you Mamie, and yes excusez-moi the rules are new to us in the UK as a result of Brexit, not Macron.
It's not the inconvenience of form filling, it's not the cost of the paperwork ....... those things are do able. It's the human aspect where family, particularly grandchildren are concerned. And yes I do understand that and wish I had a magic wand.

Ellianne you of all people should know that these are not "Macron's new rules". They are rules for third country nationals now being applied to the UK. The same, but more expensive in Spain, similar in Italy.
The application of these rules is entirely as a consequence of Brexit.
We are upset about them because it will make visits from our children and grandchildren harder and will rule out spontaneity.
It isn't the end of the world, but the things that we laughed off as young people are a bit harder when you are older.
Il faut faire avec.... but it doesn't make life any easier.

It’s good to share - maybe tell that to the U.K. government cutting foreign aid

I always say that ‘money makes nice people nicer’ because it can and your generosity bears me out on that Ellianne. When we are fortunate in life it’s good to share.
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Thank you, GrannyGravy, but I doubt I am the only one to share their good fortune.
Sadly I cannot change Macron's stupid new rules for those concerned, sadly I cannot make covid disappear for the world, but we can all spread a bit of happiness for others.

Ellianne your generosity is admirable, well done you ???

growstuff

Do you want a halo Ellianne?

Don't be silly growstuff. I am not going to lower myself to argue.
Just to say, I do "give a stuff" about others.

www.politicshome.com/news/article/david-frost-northern-ireland?fbclid=IwAR2vqMPRg0-Lj4B84uETOO6GcLLaprWfsQ5kkZJrpjROXjZuSficolQSjg4

David Frost proving to be as dim as the rest of them - he didn’t realise how much disruption Brexit would cause to N.I.

Plus, if it’s so great why do the government need to employ an “ advisor” on huge salary to discover and highlight anything positive about Brexit ?

Do you want a halo Ellianne?

In my case, it's absolutely nothing to do with owning a property abroad. It's to do with people who couldn't give a stuff about others. In some cases, it's also to do with people who can't even get their facts right. Many people have been affected by the new regulations brought in by EU countries, but as they're in a minority and they don't affect some, apparently people aren't supposed to be bothered. Well, yes they are and have every right to be annoyed.

I think people who accuse others of an "I'm alright Jack attitude" have got it completely wrong. Urmstongran has shown no complacency or desire to get ahead on this thread. She is simply making a choice to enjoy life. Owning a second home seems to rankle so many.

I am currently renting a large house in Cornwall and have invited a couple to stay who cannot get to see their daughter in Australia until goodness knows when. On my return to Devon in June every weekend is booked with people from London staying at my house who cannot get away for one reason or another.
I might be alright, but I share my good fortune with others who are less fortunate than I am. I will also offer my holiday home abroad for free this year (if allowed) for just a cleaning charge, it is the least I can do.
Small gestures maybe, but that's what makes the world go round.

Sorry. Late at night. Of course she didn’t ! That’s why it irritated me that she was being used as an example. Thanks Maizie..

I do to seem to remember durhamjen supporting brexit though

I don't think she did, MayBee

Callistemon

*What is wrong is the 'I am alright Jack attitude' re others who have made different choices. Who have worked hard and done lots of planning, and now find all the goalposts have moved. Now THAT smacks of hypocrisy and total lack ot empathy for others.^
It is not a case of 'I am alright Jack attitude' at all.

The goalposts are the same for Urmstongran as for others.

It's a question of riskzztaking too. I remember durhamjen's words when Brexit was approaching that it depends on your attitude to risk. I thought about that a lot.
I am Mrs Cautious but I'd love to be braver.

And if we all had crystal balls we'd worry even more.

I do to seem to remember durhamjen supporting brexit though.