The E.U. And AstraZeneca row.

Yes showing their true colours. I wonder if we were still in the EU where we would be in the queue for the vaccines, last probably. Thank goodness we are now an independent country and can make our own deals and are able now to proceed with our fantastic vaccination programme.

Well done Boris and your team you pulled a blinder, credit where credit is due. Mistakes where made by every country but seems to me the biggest mistake was made by the EU quibbling over the price of the vaccine and putting money before peoples lives.

The start of the end for the EU.

Firecracker123

Yes showing their true colours. I wonder if we were still in the EU where we would be in the queue for the vaccines, last probably. Thank goodness we are now an independent country and can make our own deals and are able now to proceed with our fantastic vaccination programme.

Well done Boris and your team you pulled a blinder, credit where credit is due. Mistakes where made by every country but seems to me the biggest mistake was made by the EU quibbling over the price of the vaccine and putting money before peoples lives.

The start of the end for the EU.

Excellent post.

lemongrove

I thought that for once whitewave you may have posted a comment similar to Algerias on this matter.....but no!

Unless.....you mean that the EU commission are being small minded?

Why attack Whitewave personally Lemongrove? Surely this is a thread about "The E.U. And AstraZeneca row" not other members of this forum?

The European commission got this wrong. It was heavy handed and ridiculous and a political attempt to save political lives. The best thing the government can do is to stay quiet while it works itself out.

Vickysponge

Firecracker123

Yes showing their true colours. I wonder if we were still in the EU where we would be in the queue for the vaccines, last probably. Thank goodness we are now an independent country and can make our own deals and are able now to proceed with our fantastic vaccination programme.

Well done Boris and your team you pulled a blinder, credit where credit is due. Mistakes where made by every country but seems to me the biggest mistake was made by the EU quibbling over the price of the vaccine and putting money before peoples lives.

The start of the end for the EU.

Excellent post.

We were still in the EU when the U.K. ordered various vaccines. We only officially left recently I believe.

PippaZ

lemongrove

I thought that for once whitewave you may have posted a comment similar to Algerias on this matter.....but no!

Unless.....you mean that the EU commission are being small minded?

Why attack Whitewave personally Lemongrove? Surely this is a thread about "The E.U. And AstraZeneca row" not other members of this forum?

??? I would begin to worry if lg actually managed a post without a personal comment.

She would be losing her touch??.

This seems to be descending into yet another Brexit thread so I'm out of this one.

Is there any way you can stop a thread showing on your own "I'm on" bit? Thanks in advance for any help.

The virus isn’t political it doesn’t recognise boundaries.

Governments need to get a grip.

Not a single one of us is secure until everyone in the world is secure.

We will get nowhere if this fact isn’t understood, and the virus will grasp every opportunity it can to mutate to even more dangerous levels.

Vickysponge

Firecracker123

Yes showing their true colours. I wonder if we were still in the EU where we would be in the queue for the vaccines, last probably. Thank goodness we are now an independent country and can make our own deals and are able now to proceed with our fantastic vaccination programme.

Well done Boris and your team you pulled a blinder, credit where credit is due. Mistakes where made by every country but seems to me the biggest mistake was made by the EU quibbling over the price of the vaccine and putting money before peoples lives.

The start of the end for the EU.

Excellent post.

I totally agree.....

If there is no other reason than this to hang a leave vote on, I, for one, am happy. If we were still in the EU I dread to think where we would stand in the queue for vaccines. As usual the stifling inertia and bureaucracy of the EU has caused this. They had every opportunity to ensure their supply of vaccine but, as always, their lack of urgency has seen them caught out. Their threat to install a hard border (now withdrawn) in Ireland perfectly illustrates their petty minded nastiness. All their insistence during those protracted negotiations that there must not be such a border! They have shown their true colours and the sooner the whole bloc falls apart the better.

Whitewavemark2

I would like the UN to take charge and for all vaccine roll out to be decided on a world wide basis.

But there is not enough to go round is there. Are you saying the vulnerable in the UK (one of the worst affect countries) should go without? The government did the right thing early why should our vulnerable miss out?

AZ will supply the vaccine at cost. TheEU have behaved appallingly just to try and cover up their own short comings.

When our government makes one of its numerous-u turns, they get praise from certain posters on here for listening to critics, now the EU has made a U turn and admitted it was wrong it gets unsurprisingly bashed from the same haters. The vaccine has been developed internationally and if it appears one country is hogging it, then others will be upset. A few months down the line and supplies will be equalised.

It’ll be interesting to see what Full Fact say about what has happened.

In the House of Commons just 10 days ago, Johnson said if there are issues with supplying good to NI, he would have NO hesitation in triggering Art. 16.

Whitewavemark2

I would like the UN to take charge and for all vaccine roll out to be decided on a world wide basis.

Good grief!!! We would really be stuffed.
Bosnia
Ruanda
Mali
Haiti.

What should the PM do biba70 allow the shops in NI to have empty shelves?

It wasn’t a personal comment whitewave just that I was posting immediately after your comment and was amazed that you were the only poster not to say that the EU commission have behaved badly.There are many people on here who were sad that we left the EU but can still bring themselves to say that the EU are very wrong in this vaccine matter.

petra True, their record in many places speaks for itself!

Mamardoit

Whitewavemark2

I would like the UN to take charge and for all vaccine roll out to be decided on a world wide basis.

But there is not enough to go round is there. Are you saying the vulnerable in the UK (one of the worst affect countries) should go without? The government did the right thing early why should our vulnerable miss out?

AZ will supply the vaccine at cost. TheEU have behaved appallingly just to try and cover up their own short comings.

No I didn’t say that did I?

This virus is world wide, that’s how it needs to be tackled. If we don’t and see it from what we consider (quite wrongly) our own self interests, it will mutate and could mutate into something that makes the current variants seem like a walk in the park.

petra

Whitewavemark2

I would like the UN to take charge and for all vaccine roll out to be decided on a world wide basis.

Good grief!!! We would really be stuffed.
Bosnia
Ruanda
Mali
Haiti.

You are looking at it as a political issue and not a biological issue.

That is the problem.

lemongrove I have had comments from staunch remainers whom I know saying that they are hugely disappointed in the EU, the way they have behaved and wondering if leavers were, in fact, right.

I was surprised but, on reflection, it's a valid viewpoint.

A couple of those who voted to leave have said it proves their point and the reason they voted leave - the cumbersome and slow bureaucracy involved in decision-making.

Of course it’s a world wide problem which will only be fully resolved when all countries are able to vaccinate their own people, but that doesn’t mean that a powerful organisation should be able to threaten other countries who have contracts
For vaccine, just because they ( EU) are coming late to the party and are casting around for others to blame.

Yes Callistemon....one of our AC who voted to Remain rang last night for a chat and said much the same thing.

You are looking at it as a political issue and not a biological issue.
It would be an organisational issue and with it the danger of fraud and exploitation.

Well the EU have made it quite clear it is a political issue. The EU is wealthy and more than able to vaccinate every citizen.
But they dithered and cocked up. They want to stop all vaccines leaving the EU. How is that sharing with poorer nations?

Of course it's biological. We need all all the vaccines we can make and probably to stop international travel indefinitely not ease it off in the summer. The virus will still be here in autumn and winter 2021 and beyond.