A big thank you to those who voted for Brexit

MayBee70

So, all that’s happening is we’re just celebrating not losing an industry that the NE is totally dependent on. Nothing has been gained. Or am I missing something here?

You're missing boundless optimism and joy and hope for the future, Maybee

Let's look at seeds. Lots of gardeners on Gnet...

Post-Brexit trade: a barren soil for seeds

Seeds of Italy is the UK importer of seeds from Franchi, the oldest family-run seed company in the world. They preserve old varieties renowned for taste; the company also deals with fine Italian foods and cosmetics. As for many other companies, the end of the Brexit transition period is causing no end of problems and costs.

With the company’s seeds a fixture in many Midlands garden centres, we decided to catch up with Paolo Arrigo, the founder and CEO of the company.

The end of the transition has been a shock. Arrigo says “It is serious, I’m an importer who cannot import seeds”. He says all seed importers are talking, trying to understand the new rules. Defra consulted 12 seed companies: “the large brands, no specialists, none of the companies like us”. He finds this hard to believe: “This is the country of the first horticultural society and botanical gardens. Think Darwin. The country has a passion for horticulture. Hobby seeds, seed packets, restaurant growers, small growers, allotmenteers”.

What happened, Arrigo says, is that the government uploaded 5000 varieties from the EU seed authorisation list to the UK seed list based on that consultation. To register a new variety in future could cost £300. There are tens of thousands of varieties that were free before.

How will small and new companies manage this? Arrigo says “this skews the sector to the corporate big boys. But what about the local and specialist varieties, the regional, the artisan products? This is the same as might happen with food: hormone-fed beef, and so on”. Just one unregistered variety could see whole consignments refused.

eastmidlandsbylines.co.uk/post-brexit-trade-a-barren-soil-for-seeds/?fbclid=IwAR3rXT7TmjhFe2RIczUL-h1ails2h3YRcWFVbosCFa2BYokUKfzgzAe4jwI

So, all that’s happening is we’re just celebrating not losing an industry that the NE is totally dependent on. Nothing has been gained. Or am I missing something here?

MaizieD

It's heartbreaking.

This is people's livelihoods that being harmed and labelled as 'petty personal difficulties'... As if we don't have enough to cope with with covid.

it is more than that two, totally disgusting and vile.

That should be 'how', not 'over who', really...

GrannyGravy13

This from the Guardian Nissan boss says Brexit has given them the edge over European competitors!

Deeply puzzling that, GG13.

Competitive edge over who?

This from the Guardian Nissan boss says Brexit has given them the edge over European competitors!

Varian: UK retailers could abandon goods EU customers want to return, with some even thinking of burning them because it is cheaper than bringing them home.

This is, I guess, just another petty difficulty/storm in a teacup but hardly in line with:

”Leaving the European Union is an opportunity to refresh and renew our environmental policy, and show domestic and international leadership.”

From the Government's publication ”Our Waste our Resources:
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/765914/resources-waste-strategy-dec-2018.pdf

It's heartbreaking.

This is people's livelihoods that being harmed and labelled as 'petty personal difficulties'... As if we don't have enough to cope with with covid.

UK retailers could abandon goods EU customers want to return, with some even thinking of burning them because it is cheaper than bringing them home.

They say the new EU trade deal has put costly duties on returns at a time when firms are already struggling.

The BBC has been told UK High Street and luxury brands have a mounting volume of goods stuck with courier services on the continent.

None of the retailers would comment on the problem.

Adam Mansell, boss of the UK Fashion & Textile Association (UKFT), said it's "cheaper for retailers to write off the cost of the goods than dealing with it all, either abandoning or potentially burning them."

Since 1 January, lots of European customers have been presented with an unexpected customs invoice when signing for goods they've ordered from the UK. These new customs charges are a result of the new EU trade deal with the UK.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55757931

gangy5

Let's inject some positivity into this post. Today the head of Nissan has said ' Brexit will turbocharge its business' and will probably double production at it's Sunderland site.
Time to stop wittering on about petty difficulties that affect us personally and think of the advantages that will benefit our nation as a whole.

This is not 'an advantage that will benefit our nation as a whole'. It's not new investment by a new company. Nissan has been here since the 1980s. A life saver for the N.E at the time (I remember the local jubilation when it came) and a source of direct and indirect employment.

I'm glad that it won't be leaving because that would be an absolutely devastating blow to the area, but all that this announcement says is that we are maintaining the status quo. It's a sad day when Leavers think that maintenance of the status quo is 'good news'. It's merely a big 'relief'. Good news would have been a large new company investing in a big manufacturing project in the UK.

But given the import and export problems Brexit has thrown up I see that as highly unlikely.

Time to stop wittering on about petty difficulties that affect us personally

Having forced us into a position that we didn't want to be in you should damn well being apologising to Remainers for those 'petty difficulties' resulting from your vote, not telling us to ignore them.

I think that these 'petty difficulties' are likely to accumulate to cause a massive dislike of Brexit.

Vote leave said in their pamphlet that in the event of leave winning there was no danger of Nissan relocating. Nissan we’re going to sue but nothing came of it. Teresa May stepped in at one point and must have offered them money to stay.

name ONE ,just ONE advantage ?

Nissan are being given a huge amount of money by the govt to keep them going in Sunderland otherwise unfortunately it would be a different story.
Something I had never thought about but read a report this morning - many businesses sending goods to people in the EU are finding that due to the charges being imposed the customers (individual people) are refusing to accept the goods. They are then going back to a depot and the company will need to pay further charges to get the goods back to base. I wonder if they will be able to solve this problem.

Let's inject some positivity into this post. Today the head of Nissan has said ' Brexit will turbocharge its business' and will probably double production at it's Sunderland site.
Time to stop wittering on about petty difficulties that affect us personally and think of the advantages that will benefit our nation as a whole.

Borders have moved a lot in a relatively short period for sure. Yugoslavia, most Easter countries. Italy was only united not so long ago, same for France. Even my part of Switzerland was part of Prussia and ruled from Berlin until 1848!

My Godmother was born in 1910 in Alsace. In 1914, her father told all the children they must never speak French again- and to be quiet until they could speak German. In 1918, having learnt German and forgotten French, she and her sibblings were told never to speak German again, and be quiet until they remembered their French!

A bad decision for the UK

A bad decision damages the Us standing in the world. Now that Trump has gone BJ seems to want to be the petulant toddler amongst leaders.

www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/uk-news/brexit-uk-eu-diplomatic-status-boris-johnson-b1790770.html

... not to mention Alsace-Lorraine or Poland.

MaizieD: The weirdest thing is that many European countries which exist now have had past experience of being taken over by other regimes, or being practically obliterated by other regimes, and haven't exactly liked it.

Borders within Europe have been a moveable feast. The Scandinavian countries were not always living in peaceful harmony. Norway gained their independence from Sweden in 1905. Denmark had also claimed Norway from time to time. Finland belonged to Sweden for hundreds of years. Parts of southern Sweden swung like a pendulum between Denmark and Sweden.

This shared history has meant that most of us Scandis feel like family. The languages are very similar (Finnish an exception) and this has further cemented the closeness between us. However, each country definitely has its own strong identity.

Ellianne

Sorry MaizieD I thought I picked up on the word culture somewhere in your post.
I'll leave others to the EU/one country discussion.

I believe that my original sentence was something like ''countries that are proud of their nationality, their culture and customs'... when I was asking the question does anyone seriously believe that they would want to be amalgamated as one country?

The weirdest thing is that many European countries which exist now have had past experience of being taken over by other regimes, or being practically obliterated by other regimes, and haven't exactly liked it. There was the great nationalist push against the Habsburgs for self rule in the 19th C, for example. Why would they tolerate it it now?

Sorry MaizieD I thought I picked up on the word culture somewhere in your post.
I'll leave others to the EU/one country discussion.

Dinahmo

Ellianne I forgot to add that the Brits aren't exactly quick to pay the correct taxes. I've asked the question before and I'm not asking you personally but, I often wonder how many people pay for cleaning, gardening, painting and decorating in cash to avoid paying VAT.

Definitely, Dinahmo, but I guess when I lived in a foreign country I felt the need to be more than squeaky clean! Almost out of respect?

By the way, I assume that you mean Paul Signac
Oops sorry, my phone picked up Scrignac from the memory, the village where we had friends in Brittany!
Signac the artist of course. Thanks.

Ellianne I forgot to add that the Brits aren't exactly quick to pay the correct taxes. I've asked the question before and I'm not asking you personally but, I often wonder how many people pay for cleaning, gardening, painting and decorating in cash to avoid paying VAT.