A big thank you to those who voted for Brexit

Smileless2012

Anyone who was "horrified at those who wanted to leave" had the opportunity to vote remain; not enough did from any generation.

There weren't that many veterans left by 2016. Those that were left couldn't have swayed the vote, however many wanted to remain.

Our generation is not called the boomers for nothing, we are an exceptionally large cohort. So our vote was bound to be disproportionately larger. Unfortunately our generation was the most anti-EU cohort.

Also, unfortunately a lot of people didn't bother to vote because they didn't think that, collectively, the UK would be so stupid as to vote leave.

Anyone who was "horrified at those who wanted to leave" had the opportunity to vote remain; not enough did from any generation.

Two observations -

1. "Most of" this generation and "most of" that generation - laughable when the outcome was that "most of" those who voted, voted for Brexit.

2. Posters are often criticised on these threads for referring back to WW2, but are then accused of having short memories. Please tell me - exactly what memories are permissible and which aren't?

"There were many interviews with veterans. Most of them puzzled or horrified at the result of the vote."

Most of them? Have you personally listened to and counted every single interview then? No, thought not. Empty claims, just your opinion.

Thanks MaizieD

And I could cite just as many veterans on various TV channels who voted to leave.

Do so, please.

There were many interviews with veterans. Most of them puzzled or horrified at the result of the vote. Many reports of very elderly parents ditto.

Somewhere there are stats that show that the 80+ voted mostly for Remain.

Lots of stuff on this page of search results:

blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/04/05/britains-wartime-generation-are-almost-as-pro-eu-as-millennials/

duckduckgo.com/?q=WW2+veterans%27+opinion+of+Brexit&t=chromentp&ia=web

Draw your own conclusions.

And I could cite just as many veterans on various TV channels who voted to leave. There were leave and remain voters in every generation, as we all know. You can't generalise and blanket one generation for the vote. That's just BS. Incidentally, I can assure you I have a VERY long memory.

Opal

*"The ironic thing about the veneration of WW2 is that the brave young men who flew Spitfires would, if they were still alive to day, be in the main, horrified at the vote to leave the EU"*

How can anyone, either pro or anti Brexit, presume to know the minds and opinions of any of the brave men and women who fought in WW2? I'm appalled at the arrogance and condescension in that statement, but sadly not surprised, having been reading these types of threads for a few years.

Some people have very short memories. There were several veterans on various tv channels before the referendum saying how they were horrified at those who wanted to leave. In particular I remember one lady in her 90s who had received the Legion D'honneur for her work.

I agree with you Opal and feel the same way about "our generation, who seem to regard Europe as 'the enemy' to be vanquished and destroyed".

Well I’m pretty sure what my father and uncle would have thought. They would have been anti Brexit albeit lifelong conservative voting.

"The ironic thing about the veneration of WW2 is that the brave young men who flew Spitfires would, if they were still alive to day, be in the main, horrified at the vote to leave the EU"

How can anyone, either pro or anti Brexit, presume to know the minds and opinions of any of the brave men and women who fought in WW2? I'm appalled at the arrogance and condescension in that statement, but sadly not surprised, having been reading these types of threads for a few years.

Hello MaizeD
Thanks for the reply. Mornings tend to be busy for me so I'm finally getting round to looking at gransnet whilst having my mid day caffeine hit.

My apologies. Yes, you don't say the seeds won't grow in UK.
You actually say the variety is not grown.
However, my previous comment does refutes this and you did accept that the beans I bought did grow.

People grow all sorts of things these days in the UK which have not been traditionally grown in the UK. And because they're not traditional it's more practical all round to buy from producers in the country of origin
Why is it more practical to buy seeds that originate from Italy when there are UK companies 'breeding' that same seed?

Whilst there are UK seed companies selling home grown products, I will continue to buy from them and not from companies that import the same product.

I look forward to your reply to my question above. However, after reading your final disrespectful words, which others may have read, I feel nothing is to be gained by continuing a discussion about the seed market.

NotSpaghetti

The worst of it is the government advice to set up an office in an EU country. Someone mentioned this earlier - I heard it the other day and can't think of anything more damning.

We seem to go further down the rabbit hole (or is it through the looking glass) with every day that passes...

The ironic thing about the veneration of WW2 is that the brave young men who flew Spitfires would, if they were still alive to day, be in the main, horrified at the vote to leave the EU. It was mostly their generation, and those who had lived through WW1 who voted to stay in the EEC in 1975. They understood the value of co-operation and reconciliation.

And, stunningly, it was mainly our generation, their children, who have benefitted from membership, who voted to leave. Our generation, who seem to regard Europe as 'the enemy' to be vanquished and destroyed.

It's our generation that was being mocked, not them.

The worst of it is the government advice to set up an office in an EU country. Someone mentioned this earlier - I heard it the other day and can't think of anything more damning.

At, not as,

My uncle flew spitfires as age 19.
There was no insult to spitfire pilots, poster could just as well have said aeroplanes. As I read it poster was pointing out that a lot of Brexit dreams seem to be harking bark to “past glories” which rightly or wrongly cannot be re-created in today’s world.

Oh you poor sensitive soul! People have been called a lot lot worse than that on these threads I can assure you! as for Spitfires, if you can't understand the insensitivity of using that analogy, then I can't tell you, just think about what they and their very young extremely brave young pilots actually did (no not a jolly jape) and it might give you an idea?!!

Is it ok to address posters as “you people” and call them “pathetic’ ? Just wondered.

Who is mocking spitfires ? That’s not what vegansrock meant !

You people can mock all you like in your usual pathetic way, but mocking spitfires? you should have a think about that and be ashamed.

The Brexit festival will be great. There will be a stand selling rotten fish, we can wave our blue passports amidst a confetti made of customs declarations and red tape. Spitfires can airdrop food parcels to those who’ve lost their jobs.

Maybe it’s a “you can’t quit! You’re fired! Situation?

vegansrock

The advice to businesses from the Government’s own trade department to businesses struggling with all the red tape is now to set up an office in an EU country. One British haulage firm is doing this, getting rid of some U.K. staff and hiring staff in the Netherlands, This will no doubt be the answer for many businesses.

No! No! No! That can't be right! One of the selling points of Brexit was supposed to be about increasing the number of British jobs and reversing globalisation. Did somebody forget to tell the Department for Trade?