A big thank you to those who voted for Brexit

suttonJ

UG....I await your post with interest. I remember how keen you have been on telling us of the positives of Brexit.

These are bumps in the road. Hauliers now need the correct paperwork for each country they pass through. Practice makes perfect. As this involves money they’ll sort it out. We are only on Day 8. In the middle of a Covid crisis here & in Europe too.

“The pennies dropping are becoming a gentle rain”

Nothing glamorous about privateers Biba.

Brexiters, please do not give them an extra undeserved glamorous 'e'.

M and S suspending exports.
"The M&S chief executive, Steve Rowe, said: “Tariff free does not feel like tariff free when you read the fine print. For big businesses there will be time-consuming workarounds but for a lot of others this means paying tariffs or rebasing into the EU.”"
I sympathise with your post *Dinahmo". None of these little things that make our lives as Brits in the EU more difficult are major in terms of what is happening to industry and business, but they just make it all more and more depressing. What is happening to Scottish fish exports is dreadful. We know how much Scottish salmon is prized here in France; the loss of the export market, even if temporary, must be devastating.
The sad truth is that Brexiteers will never take ownership of what is happening. Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing.

BREXIT UPDATE, 10am, 8 Jan.
More & more reports coming in of hauliers halting group exports to the EU as of today (these are loads of different food products from different companies). A multi-million pound blow to our food industry. What an entirely predictable mess

But surely Farage, with his years of experience with the fishing industry from when he represented them in the EU could help them in some way?

varian

Is that the same Daniel Hannan who promised that "no-one was talking about leaving the Single Market" and has since been rewarded for being such a good liar by being given a peerage?

The very same?

Is that the same Daniel Hannan who promised that "no-one was talking about leaving the Single Market" and has since been rewarded for being such a good liar by being given a peerage?

Russ

Now we're out of the EU, Daniel Hannan wants to reduce your pay and conditions, and remove safeguards on hedge funds that help prevent another 2007 crash.

I dunno about you, but I almost fainted with shock at this unforseeable revelation.

suttonJ

UG....I await your post with interest. I remember how keen you have been on telling us of the positives of Brexit.

I did ask several days ago and no response, hardly surprising there aren’t any positives and we’re finding more negatives every day.

David Henig (UK Director @ecipe, making sense of Brexit & Trade/ also global trade policy/ TTIP veteran) has done a good thread explaining what the problems are for exporters and importers.

"How to make sense of the increasing number of UK-EU trade disruption stories?"

"In short - outside of a single market product checks and people working restrictions are inevitable. And outside a customs union you will have tariffs and / or rules of origin."

"The UK decided to leave a Customs Union. Within that Customs Union, no tariffs, just a common external tariff or preferential rates for bilateral deals or developing countries. Hence, distribution hubs in one country for all make a lot of sense. 2/"

"Outside a Customs Union our choice was tariffs under WTO rules or remove them subject to rules of origin with a deal. We chose the latter, but it means we can't just import from China, rebadge, and get zero tariffs from the EU. As we could until December 31"

"Net result of being outside of the Customs Union - it no longer makes sense for the UK to be a distribution hub for the whole of Europe. Particularly when so many neighbouring countries remain in it. No trade deal changes that. 4/"

I won't post the whole thread but it's an illuminating read.

twitter.com/DavidHenigUK/status/1347468916872912896

Of course, at the end we have a Brexit moron response

"Sanjay Nayyar
@Cyberspace_7
Replying to
@DavidHenigUK
Having decided that all of these stories from big business is arse covering for price rises. I’m also beginning to think it’s arse covering for their failure to lobby politicians for a better deal or explaining the impact earlier to the public."

They're not doing much in the way of controlling our borders.

If you fly into many other countries you are taken directly from the plane to an airport hotel where you are quartantined for fourteen days in your room, only seeing a heavily protected staff member who delivers your food.

If you fly to the UK you may be given a form on the plane instructing you to quarantine and asking for an address, but these forms are seldom collected on arrival and you are free to travel on public transport or whatever way you like to your address.

The leavers are busy enjoying their sovereignty, they couldn’t care less about all the struggling businesses.

UG....I await your post with interest. I remember how keen you have been on telling us of the positives of Brexit.

Ironically, it seems that even the fishing industry, which was supposedly so important that many others industries were sacrificed to 'save' it, is on its knees. All this for an industry which employs fewer people than Debenhams.

Have you noticed that the pace of Brexit "bad news" stories is accelerating?

Maizie, I have re-read my post several times- and I just cannot possibly imagine how you could come up with that conclusion. Truly.

I think it's a bit ambiguous, biba. I can see two ways of reading it now. Sorry. Wasn't wanting to upset you.

Even the Daily Heil isn't looking too happy:

Andrew Trust runs a fish merchants based in Looe, Cornwall.

He told MailOnline: 'I’ve been in the trade all my life and have built a business in the last 21 years successfully supplying fish the UK and European fish trade.

'This came to an abrupt end on Monday because of all the extra red tape, and unviable extra costs involved in what was before a free trade and an easy process.

'Some of my competitors who have decided to give it a go have had lorries stuck in Calais for three days, or worse, had fish rejected and returned because the postcode was next door to its destination address.

'The export trade made up 36% of my business. We are a small merchants, so these extra costs just don’t add up. That said, it means that around 120 tons of fish a year that we would have bought from the local fish markets of Plymouth and Brixham will now potentially not happen.

'As you can imagine, I’m not a happy man.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9121359/British-companies-cross-channel-trade-Brexit-red-tape.html

Maizie, I have re-read my post several times- and I just cannot possibly imagine how you could come up with that conclusion. Truly.

Brexit is causing and will cause massive amounts of serious damage to individuals and businesses, and the UK as a whole.

No being able to order 'stuff' like clothes, etc, from abroad, or with increased taxes, sounds like a very minor inconvenience compared to the above. Perhaps what some call 'a First World Problem'.

You know that I am, always was and always will be, remain and pro EU. Very hurtful.

Report on difficulties
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55583244

Even though I fought it for 4 years I always felt it needed to to run it’s course because a seed had been sown and it wasn’t going to go away. If only this country could have witnessed 4 years of a Trump presidency before a referendum was held. If it had I think the result would have been different. Especially as the people behind Trump were also behind vote leave.

The brexit campaign group leave.EU, funded by Aaaron Banks, has moved its HQ out of the UK to ... guess where?

I suppose every leaver is busy enjoying their sovereignty.

biba70

to be honest Dinahmo, the problem you have highlighted is just a bit of a pain- and really very minor compared to the real severe issues Brexit is throwing up. Honestly!

I'm sure you really don't mean to, but this comment makes you sound like a Leave voter, biba.

From personal inconvenience to business failures every consequence of this idiotic decision and the dreadful 'deal' Johnson clearly hasn't mastered the implications of (not that he particularly cares), is offensive to those who never asked to be put in this position.