A big thank you to those who voted for Brexit

NotSpaghetti

The worst of it is the government advice to set up an office in an EU country. Someone mentioned this earlier - I heard it the other day and can't think of anything more damning.

We seem to go further down the rabbit hole (or is it through the looking glass) with every day that passes...

Hello MaizeD
Thanks for the reply. Mornings tend to be busy for me so I'm finally getting round to looking at gransnet whilst having my mid day caffeine hit.

My apologies. Yes, you don't say the seeds won't grow in UK.
You actually say the variety is not grown.
However, my previous comment does refutes this and you did accept that the beans I bought did grow.

People grow all sorts of things these days in the UK which have not been traditionally grown in the UK. And because they're not traditional it's more practical all round to buy from producers in the country of origin
Why is it more practical to buy seeds that originate from Italy when there are UK companies 'breeding' that same seed?

Whilst there are UK seed companies selling home grown products, I will continue to buy from them and not from companies that import the same product.

I look forward to your reply to my question above. However, after reading your final disrespectful words, which others may have read, I feel nothing is to be gained by continuing a discussion about the seed market.

"The ironic thing about the veneration of WW2 is that the brave young men who flew Spitfires would, if they were still alive to day, be in the main, horrified at the vote to leave the EU"

How can anyone, either pro or anti Brexit, presume to know the minds and opinions of any of the brave men and women who fought in WW2? I'm appalled at the arrogance and condescension in that statement, but sadly not surprised, having been reading these types of threads for a few years.

Well I’m pretty sure what my father and uncle would have thought. They would have been anti Brexit albeit lifelong conservative voting.

I agree with you Opal and feel the same way about "our generation, who seem to regard Europe as 'the enemy' to be vanquished and destroyed".

Opal

*"The ironic thing about the veneration of WW2 is that the brave young men who flew Spitfires would, if they were still alive to day, be in the main, horrified at the vote to leave the EU"*

How can anyone, either pro or anti Brexit, presume to know the minds and opinions of any of the brave men and women who fought in WW2? I'm appalled at the arrogance and condescension in that statement, but sadly not surprised, having been reading these types of threads for a few years.

Some people have very short memories. There were several veterans on various tv channels before the referendum saying how they were horrified at those who wanted to leave. In particular I remember one lady in her 90s who had received the Legion D'honneur for her work.

And I could cite just as many veterans on various TV channels who voted to leave. There were leave and remain voters in every generation, as we all know. You can't generalise and blanket one generation for the vote. That's just BS. Incidentally, I can assure you I have a VERY long memory.

There were many interviews with veterans. Most of them puzzled or horrified at the result of the vote. Many reports of very elderly parents ditto.

Somewhere there are stats that show that the 80+ voted mostly for Remain.

Lots of stuff on this page of search results:

blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/04/05/britains-wartime-generation-are-almost-as-pro-eu-as-millennials/

duckduckgo.com/?q=WW2+veterans%27+opinion+of+Brexit&t=chromentp&ia=web

Draw your own conclusions.

And I could cite just as many veterans on various TV channels who voted to leave.

Do so, please.

Thanks MaizieD

"There were many interviews with veterans. Most of them puzzled or horrified at the result of the vote."

Most of them? Have you personally listened to and counted every single interview then? No, thought not. Empty claims, just your opinion.

Two observations -

1. "Most of" this generation and "most of" that generation - laughable when the outcome was that "most of" those who voted, voted for Brexit.

2. Posters are often criticised on these threads for referring back to WW2, but are then accused of having short memories. Please tell me - exactly what memories are permissible and which aren't?

Anyone who was "horrified at those who wanted to leave" had the opportunity to vote remain; not enough did from any generation.

Smileless2012

Anyone who was "horrified at those who wanted to leave" had the opportunity to vote remain; not enough did from any generation.

There weren't that many veterans left by 2016. Those that were left couldn't have swayed the vote, however many wanted to remain.

Our generation is not called the boomers for nothing, we are an exceptionally large cohort. So our vote was bound to be disproportionately larger. Unfortunately our generation was the most anti-EU cohort.

Also, unfortunately a lot of people didn't bother to vote because they didn't think that, collectively, the UK would be so stupid as to vote leave.

Ah I see, so all those who didn't vote would have voted "remain" if they had voted - yes of course

Seems to me that if you didn't vote because you thought remain would win, you are the stupid one ?

I am sure that many of those who didn't vote like many who voted Leave now realise they were the stupid ones.

MaizieD
“ Also, unfortunately a lot of people didn’t bother to vote . . .”
Therein lies the problem. Would remain voters feel better or worse if everyone had voted and Leave had still won?
Probably not.
I voted remain, but my group lost either way. Winners and losers and those who didn’t bother to vote will all have to live with the consequences and name calling won’t change anything.
I’ve followed this thread to read some of the initial outcomes that have arisen since Brexit. I’ve not had problems so far, but I’m not sure if my next car will be a Renault.
Sadly, the thread has mostly degenerated into name calling-fortunately without the violence that went on in the US when the aggrieved losers weren’t happy with the result.

Opal

Ah I see, so all those who didn't vote would have voted "remain" if they had voted - yes of course

Well, they obviously weren't particularly bothered by being in the EU. If they were, they would have voted Leave to make sure that their discontent was noted.

Your analogy is way off the mark Mollygo

We should look at truth and lies.

Varian . . . on this thread?

Opal

Two observations -

1. "Most of" this generation and "most of" that generation - laughable when the outcome was that "most of" those who voted, voted for Brexit.

2. Posters are often criticised on these threads for referring back to WW2, but are then accused of having short memories. Please tell me - exactly what memories are permissible and which aren't?

And some segments of the population are larger than others

So it is easy to see how it’s broken down by age group.

If things continue the way they seem to be going the only option for buying cars in the U.K. is likely to be Nissan. Ford now assemble most cars in the EU etc and GM pulled out of U.K. entirely a few years ago.
Nissan have had huge monetary incentives to remain in U.K. and can presumably see they will have an advantage.

varian

Your analogy is way off the mark Mollygo

We should look at truth and lies.

The comparison of Remainers with MAGA is singularly unapt.

MAGA was built on lies.

Brexit was built on lies.

Yes I agree, this was really my point earlier Welshwife.