A big thank you to those who voted for Brexit

Good post PippaZ.
I have yet to understand how the optimism or pessimism of people on Gransnet can influence the implementation of Brexit.

Joelsnan

Urmstongran
Your final paragraph is quite interesting and am sure will incite outrage from those who do not recognise the similarities and even yet are prepared to ignore a democratic vote.

We had a vote and the outcome has been carried out. What more does that vote require to be democratic?

I will not tell you we are better off for carrying it out if we are not.
I will not praise you for "rescuing" us from something that did not, in my view, exist.
I will not feel it my duty not to criticise the deal we got.
I will back every attempt to improve the position we have got ourselves in to.
I will continue to think, and possibly say, that large swaths of leave voters, but not all, were taken in by the ambitions of a group of very wealthy and/or very right wing people.

All this is mine and everyone else's democratic right. There is still, so far, freedom of speech in this country.

As far as I can see the only people still arguing or even talking about the actual vote are the leave voters. The rest of us are trying to make sense of, and ask for improvement on, the outcome. Is that what you see as undemocratic?

It's very patronising to think that those who dont agree with you are negative, we just dont agree with you.

JenniferEccles

Maybe on Gransnet there should be a whole thread section entitled ‘We are all doomed’

It will be somewhere for the permanently enraged to rant about how awful it is that we’ve left the EU, and the rest of us who are of an optimistic mindset that we will positively thrive, can leave you all in peace to wallow in your own determined negativity.

Oh what a great idea JE??

Maybe on Gransnet there should be a whole thread section entitled ‘We are all doomed’

It will be somewhere for the permanently enraged to rant about how awful it is that we’ve left the EU, and the rest of us who are of an optimistic mindset that we will positively thrive, can leave you all in peace to wallow in your own determined negativity.

Don’t know why I quoted you varian?

varian

I suspect that some brexiters are more worried about the restrictions on their second homes in Spain than their ham sandwiches., WWM2.

Femi

The Daily Mail just published an article about Brexit causing food shortages... I KNOW! ?

Joelsnan

Urmstongran
Your final paragraph is quite interesting and am sure will incite outrage from those who do not recognise the similarities and even yet are prepared to ignore a democratic vote.

Here we go with the lies again.

All we ever wanted was confirmation that this is what the country really wanted before taking such a huge step.

“If you do find yourself affected by temporary shortages of certain foodstuffs, do remember that ‘sovereignty’ is a perfect substitute for most ingredients in most recipes.”

O’Brian.

I suspect that some brexiters are more worried about the restrictions on their second homes in Spain than their ham sandwiches., WWM2.

Don’t forget that you won’t be able to pack a picnic for your journey if you are travelling to an EU country next summer.

"Welcome to Brexit!" Says the Dutch border control officer who's now in charge of confiscating ham sandwiches. From taking back control to taking away your rolls.

Joelsnan

Urmstongran
Your final paragraph is quite interesting and am sure will incite outrage from those who do not recognise the similarities and even yet are prepared to ignore a democratic vote.

Another weird post. Can you feel my outrage????

Urmstongran
Your final paragraph is quite interesting and am sure will incite outrage from those who do not recognise the similarities and even yet are prepared to ignore a democratic vote.

I imagine you’ll be having great empathy then with the Republican voters - 75,00,000 of them - over in America right now MaizieD as their votes didn’t go their way just as yours didn’t after Brexit?

Of course I don't, Ug. That is the most desperate and ridiculous (so ridiculous I don't have words to express my disgust at it) comparison to make. If anything, Trump's followers, whipped up by a torrent of lies and hatred, bear a very close resemblance to 'Beleavers', who, having swallowed all the lies and half truths about the EU, have put their trust in the most appallingly mendacious (that means lying), divisive and incompetent person ever to have been a British PM.

Urmstongran

^ And do stop trying to patronise me. It really is tough luck on you if a great many people don't appreciate your vote to release them from an imaginary evil.^

I imagine you’ll be having great empathy then with the Republican voters - 75,00,000 of them - over in America right now MaizieD as their votes didn’t go their way just as yours didn’t after Brexit?

Bit weird

^ And do stop trying to patronise me. It really is tough luck on you if a great many people don't appreciate your vote to release them from an imaginary evil.^

I imagine you’ll be having great empathy then with the Republican voters - 75,00,000 of them - over in America right now MaizieD as their votes didn’t go their way just as yours didn’t after Brexit?

And people disagreeing with you is not being bitter. If the political party I voted for won the general election I wouldnt expect all those who voted against it to suddenly agree with their policies.

Sparkling

Smashed, in response to your very rude post. You can whinge forever, that is your right. I prefer living without the weight of Europe on our back, that is my opinion. It is not a police state we are living in, we are all entitled to our own views. I believe in free enterprise and having our own laws not overturned at every opportunity. You continue to be bitter. You can't change it so it is pointless, but carry on.

Do tell me how the 'weight of Europe' has been oppressing you and blighting your life for the past 40+ years?

And do stop trying to patronise me. It really is tough luck on you if a great many people don't appreciate your vote to release them from an imaginary evil.

Should have been Maisie not Smashed.

Smashed, in response to your very rude post. You can whinge forever, that is your right. I prefer living without the weight of Europe on our back, that is my opinion. It is not a police state we are living in, we are all entitled to our own views. I believe in free enterprise and having our own laws not overturned at every opportunity. You continue to be bitter. You can't change it so it is pointless, but carry on.

Oh look.

France has unilaterally exempted British artists, scientists and others from requiring work visa within the 90-days limit, something I've yet to see mentioned in UK media.

Did it in December,it appears from the thread.

mobile.twitter.com/PhilippeAuclair/status/1348004878673711105

Exercising their sovereignty. ?

Talk about cutting off nose to spite face. tHis must be the first trade deal in history where it was negotiated to make terms worse than they were before.
Joelsnan I asked a question of any Johnson fans - I didn’t assume you were one.

It is this refusal to allow reciprocal agreements that is causing so many problems, if it isn’t free from EU law it’s no deal, no matter how beneficial

With reference to musicians. It's not because we're now a third country.

An exclusive report in The Independent revealed that a “standard” proposal – that would exempt performers from the cost and bureaucracy of visas allowing them to tour EU countries – offered the same exemptions to the UK as enjoyed by countries as contrasting as the US and Saudi Arabia.

The Independent understands that this was turned down because the government is insisting on denying that same right to EU artists visiting the UK to perform, in part due to home secretary Priti Patel’s harsh stance on immigration.

“It is usually in our agreements with third countries, that [work] visas are not required for musicians. We tried to include it, but the UK said no,” an EU source close to the negotiations said.

www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/uk-musicians-visa-eu-brexit-rejected-reaction-b1785044.html

More messages from food exporters who are finding the door to the EU is now shut. Haulage firms won’t take their loads; bureaucratic/IT systems failing.
A multi-billion pound trade system is being tested for the 1st time, in real time. And it’s going wrong