A big thank you to those who voted for Brexit

Summerlove

*I’m not saying that every leave voter is racist but the ones I know are. I can’t unfriended them completely but it makes for very difficult situations where I have to walk away biting my lip.*

I am with you on not enjoying the company of that type of person Maizie. It isn't fun, wincing when the offensive comments are slipped into the conversation.

It’s no longer enough to simply not be racist, ladies. It’s time that we start calling out racist behavior and being anti-racist.

It’s uncomfortable, But I imagine it’s far more uncomfortable for the people who are having racist things said about them.

It depends on the situation though, doesn’t it. When you meet up with a group of people in your dog walking group and realise that a new member is a UKIP member it’s best to just avoid confrontation. I’m not someone that wants to make other people feel uncomfortable, especially the person who runs the group. I do stand up to people in some situations and it has often shocked people but there is a time and a place for everything. Also, some of these people are downright dangerous. Which doesn’t mean to say that I don’t stand up to such people at times.

The corrupt and inept Vote Leave government cannot be dislodged easily by the majority who never voted for them in the first place.

We are not the sort of people who would mount an armed insurrection.

We may have to wait until December 2025 unless they think it suits them to call an earlier election.

Our priority should be to campaign for constitutional reform which must include a change to fair elections under a system of proportional representation

I’ve had a post from yesterday deleted and a message to me to watch it. I’m absolutely mortified. My ‘personal attack’ was deemed offensive.

I’m truly sorry for upsetting anyone as it was never my intention and I apologise unreservedly.

I think it best that I no longer engage on this thread. It’s been some debate!

Again, please accept my sincere apologies.

I'm sure many would agree about Keir Starmer being a safe pair of hands.

It would certainly have been better if the Conservatives had never listened to the far right in their party, but that deed is done. The FT revealed this morning (PW), that the government is drawing up plans to dismantle many European regulations, including the working time directive.

How often did we hear that this sort of thing would not happen and it was "Project Fear". It is time we were rid of a Conservative government driven by those without conscience.

Smileless2012

Very early days. It will take time to sort out these teething problems and as you say Urmstongran if there's goodwill on both sides that will speed up the resolution to these problems.

Shouldn’t it have all been sorted prior to the end date though?

That’s the part that gets me.

There were 4+ years to sort it. And it wasn’t

I’m not saying that every leave voter is racist but the ones I know are. I can’t unfriended them completely but it makes for very difficult situations where I have to walk away biting my lip.

I am with you on not enjoying the company of that type of person Maizie. It isn't fun, wincing when the offensive comments are slipped into the conversation.

It’s no longer enough to simply not be racist, ladies. It’s time that we start calling out racist behavior and being anti-racist.

It’s uncomfortable, But I imagine it’s far more uncomfortable for the people who are having racist things said about them.

It has been on a thread Sarnia but I can’t remember the thread title.
I think it was said that the chemical could be used for a short duration, at times, and that other countries in Europe had done so.
Search for bees/banned chemicals in the searchbar.

It has been mentioned on another thread. I think it can only be used in certain circumstances and isn’t as bad as it seems. However I don’t actually trust this government to only do that and we need to keep an eye on what happens in the future.

Apologies if this has already been mentioned. I am very concerned that the UK now intend to use chemicals which will affect bees in our country. They have not been able to use them before because they are banned by the EU. Bees are a major pollinator and we need to be protecting them.

Yes, but have we not been sold off by the Conservatives to the US? If so we are in the power of their 2024 election and the magas won't be going away.

It would be amazing if the Conservatives got yet another five years to add to their total!
Keir Starmer would be, if not a ball of fire, then a safe pair of hands from what I have seen so far, as long as he doesn’t listen too much to those on the far left.

I'm not so sure Alexa. I think that Keir Starmer could well turn things around by the next election and BoJo will have long since have got fed up and bored by then.

I am not entirely sure the Conservatives will be ousted at some point. Fascism and ultra- nationalism are increasing worldwide.
Covid and environmental degradation inspire fear, and people tend to look inward to their own interests and towards people they perceive to be like themselves.

Scottish Fishermen’s letter to Johnson.

He lied didn’t he

SFF letter to PM: “You and your Government have spun a line about a 25% uplift in quota for the UK, but you know this is not true, and your deal does not deliver that...”

‘And may possibly learn’ ! Rehabilitation centres perhaps??
But yes Alexa you will have to live alongside your relatives friends and neighbours ( who you liked well enough before!) and accept we are out of the EU and the sky isn’t falling in and the sun shines.
The Labour Party will get it’s turn at some point as the two main parties all get their time in the spotlight.
All the millions who voted to leave the EU are happy to live alongside those who didn’t, and all the ones that I know have been happy to all along the last four years.

We will have to live alongside the people who voted for Brexit. These people will suffer too and may possibly learn.

It is counterproductive to blame them, as we have to accept what has been done, and try to oust the Conservatives who stage managed them by tapping into their sentimental nationalism. It would be bad to add to the divisive influences in this country.

Further to the report about the rabbles (known as the government) intention to reduced workers rights

You'll be shocked to learn that PM's official spokesman has not ruled out any of the specific workers' rights changes mooted in
@PickardJE
's story, or denied they were considered, or said if the PM considers those changes to be "lowering worker rights", which he says he won't do.

Truckers experience

Polish trucking magazine 40ton.net reports: A Polish truck driver entered Kent on Monday with valid Kent permit. He turned up at Ashford when they told him that his documents need to be double-checked, so he was sent to a different truck park to wait. 1/4

On Wednesday (!) he was informed his paperwork got a green light and told to come back to Ashford custom place only to find that custom truck park is full. He was told to park on yet another truck park which serves the queue. 2/4

There, the police come and fined him 300 pounds because his Kent access permit has by this time expired. So apparently the document called "kent access permit" needs to be renamed to "Kent accessing and then sitting for days, waiting for the paperwork permit". 3/4

Also, in Ashford drivers have to wait up to 4 hours outside in the rain in the queue to the customs office:

TM was a lukewarm Remainer so she needed to go overboard to prove herself to be a true believer in brexit - just like a religious convert - even more zealous than the ERGs. Hence the nonensical "red lines" and ultimate failure.

They lied didn’t they?

GagaJo

Yes, Theresa looks mild in comparison now, doesn't she. It HAS occurred to me before. Good shoes, too.

Do you think so?

I think she was the first and most destructive step on the path that has led to where we are now. She laid out the Red Lines and gave us the memorable 'No Deal is better than a Bad Deal' idiocy which Leavers latched onto with palpable glee.

She sold her soul to the ERG, a minority within the tory party and the country, and could never extricate herself from them.

A very foolish woman...

Yes, Theresa looks mild in comparison now, doesn't she. It HAS occurred to me before. Good shoes, too.

Urmstongran the doom and gloom brigade will be up and running for this year ( at least) so do stop spoiling their enjoyment of miserable pronouncements with your sensible and upbeat posts.?
Of course it’s early days yet, and you would think, with Covid that most would have far more to worry about.....but on GN ( unlike real life) apparently not.

Maybe you should have stuck with Theresa, at least she was honest. It is strange the number of people against Brexit now. You voted for it. A lot must have changed sides and realised how stupid the whole idea was. Either that or they haven’t got the courage of their earlier convictions. Everyone I know thought you were totally crazy coming out of Europe but that was from afar and we thought we must have missed something.