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A big thank you to those who voted for Brexit

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Dinahmo Thu 07-Jan-21 16:03:15

I've just been reading about the additional charges that people buying goods from the UK are having to pay on purchases arriving in EU countries. So much so that many retailers are no longer selling to people in the EU. The list is long but includes M & S, John Lewis and Fortnums. I buy a variety of things from the UK, including clothing and health supplements. I am no longer able to do this. But it's not just me and other Brits living abroad, it's everybody in the EU.

So, those cheesemakers will have a hard time and I will no longer be able to buy the very good quality cheddar from my local supermarket (which the French like to, not just Brits) because it will be too expensive.

varian Sat 16-Jan-21 20:16:13

Yet another distinguished Briton applies for an EU passport. So many of our "brightest and best"- are joining the brexit brain drain.

www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jan/16/simon-rattle-applies-for-german-citizenship-brexit

biba70 Sat 16-Jan-21 19:30:20

Indeed Pipa- spot on.

QED ''Those of us who are happy with the outcome ( leaving the EU) may as well leave this kind of thread for those who want to complain ad nauseam about Brexit.That way, we’ll all be happy.?
End of explanations.''

when those who voted for it realise all the project fears are turning, one by one, into project disastrous reality- they just want to stop discussing it. I wonder why? Could it be ... that it is dawning at last and they know there is little they can put forward that would stand?

Almost 'nice' to see this place can be just as unpleasant when I keep away.

PippaZ Sat 16-Jan-21 18:28:58

I wonder if others find this relevant to this thread?

Summerlove Sat 16-Jan-21 17:47:47

lemongrove

It became like that Casdon for a particular reason that I have already spoken of.
Therefore far better to leave this thread for those who voted Remain and are wanting to vent.

Are you feeling persecuted or not? It’s very hard to tell.

MayBee70 Sat 16-Jan-21 14:19:55

Why am I being hypocritical? I would like to know. Can you give me an example please.

Firecracker123 Sat 16-Jan-21 13:41:09

11:40MayBee70

HQ do not delete posts for the sake of it. I’ve had posts deleted. When it happens I accept it and learn from it
Sometimes bullies can’t see that they’re bullying people. imo.

Sometimes hypocrites can't see that they are hypocrites imo.

MaizieD Sat 16-Jan-21 11:42:20

MaizieD

QED, Maybee grin

Not your post at 11.40. The one above it...

MaizieD Sat 16-Jan-21 11:41:29

QED, Maybee grin

MayBee70 Sat 16-Jan-21 11:40:22

HQ do not delete posts for the sake of it. I’ve had posts deleted. When it happens I accept it and learn from it
Sometimes bullies can’t see that they’re bullying people. imo.

Urmstongran Sat 16-Jan-21 11:36:48

Actually I’ve been thinking the same lemongrove and GG13. I usually enjoy the political debates but have decided ‘I’m done’ now. Those who didn’t vote to Brexit will never be happy in my humble. Not just the wider aspects either. Nit picking too.

These pro-EU/anti Brexit threads are a perfect place for their echo chambers so (a little reluctantly) I’m out now.

Peace & unchallenged opinions can hold sway now as far as I’m concerned - with everyone being able to say ‘oh yes you’re so right so-and-so’. No deleted posts. Everybody calm and in agreement.

I shan’t be challenging any more.

MayBee70 Sat 16-Jan-21 10:19:07

Sometimes it would be nice to see just a bit of empathy from leave supporters when individual cases of hardship/problems due to brexit are raised but I have yet to see that happen. There is never any acknowledgement that brexit is harming some people/companies/industries. It’s casually just brushed aside. And that saddens me.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 16-Jan-21 10:11:17

lemongrove ditto

lemongrove Sat 16-Jan-21 10:07:13

It causes spats and pile ons ( like those on Urmston) then posts are deleted, it just isn’t worth it.
Those of us who are happy with the outcome ( leaving the EU) may as well leave this kind of thread for those who want to complain ad nauseam about Brexit.That way, we’ll all be happy.?
End of explanations.

Alegrias1 Sat 16-Jan-21 10:01:10

I suspect other views are very much unwelcome unless the poster doesn’t support the Conservatives and is also somebody who liked the EU.

political bias from Gransnet then? (which there would have to be if they were deleting posts from people on this basis)

no

OK....

lemongrove Sat 16-Jan-21 09:55:53

It became like that Casdon for a particular reason that I have already spoken of.
Therefore far better to leave this thread for those who voted Remain and are wanting to vent.

Casdon Sat 16-Jan-21 09:46:01

I haven’t reported anything, but I can see why some posts were deleted on this thread, I commented a few pages back that I felt it was getting out of hand, and ducked out of commenting after that but continued to follow.

When you look back to which posts were deleted, they weren’t all Brexit supporting posts by any means, but they were all posts where personal remarks or patronising comments about people’s views were made. Doesn’t that just mean that the Gransnet moderators were doing the job they should be?

lemongrove Sat 16-Jan-21 09:40:51

No.

MayBee70 Sat 16-Jan-21 09:35:56

Are you accusing Gransnet HQ of political bias then?

Alegrias1 Sat 16-Jan-21 09:31:32

OK, fair enough. Maybe I'm just paranoid about being deleted. hmm

lemongrove Sat 16-Jan-21 09:29:36

You weren’t deleted on this thread.Not talking about any old threads Algerias!

Alegrias1 Sat 16-Jan-21 09:26:25

I'm a lefty remainer independence supporter and I've been deleted on several occasions.

What does that mean for the theory? ??

lemongrove Sat 16-Jan-21 09:21:30

You weren’t the only one Urmstongran about five of us have had posts deleted so somebody must have complained.
It’s very much a ‘reporting’ climate now on here, no need for apologies.I suspect other views are very much unwelcome unless the poster doesn’t support the Conservatives and is also somebody who liked the EU.
Perhaps best to leave it as an echo chamber for them.?

PippaZ Fri 15-Jan-21 22:29:05

Unless you are in a way to influence parties other than the Conservatives, I agree Varian, proportional representation is the only thing we can work for at the moment.

varian Fri 15-Jan-21 19:31:32

After the election of Donald Trump in 2016, an American friend compared the nativist populism of the United States with the state of Brexit Britain. “You think it’s bad that Britain voted to leave the EU,” he told me. “America has voted to leave itself.”

Four years later, things look a little different. Having indeed taken leave of its senses, America has now been rescued – not for the first time – by its citizens of colour. Polling data shows that without minority-ethnic voters, many of whom had to overcome deliberate and systemic attempts to suppress their participation – the nation’s constitutional and political integrity would have endured a further four years of Trump’s wrecking ball.

Under cover of the past four years of regression, the British government has been running riot. However badly our leaders behaved, though, they knew there was a larger, more powerful democracy behaving even worse. Conservative attacks on the independence of the judiciary, for example, may represent an unprecedented assault on our constitution. But for Trump, lashing out personally at individual judges on Twitter became routine.

The British government’s relaxed attitude about violating international law has prompted the condemnation of nearly all living former prime ministers. But Trump led the way in tearing up international agreements and withdrawing from multilateral organisations.

Black voters drove Joe Biden's victory – and have offered this country a reboot

And then there is race. In Britain we have had to endure an equalities minister who suggests anti-racism reading materials are illegal in school, a foreign minister who derided Black Lives Matter as a Game of Thrones spoof, and Boris Johnson himself, as ready to insult black children in Africa as he was the black president in the White House. Vice-president-elect Kamala Harris is said to “hate” Johnson for claiming Obama held a grudge against Britain because of his “part-Kenyan” heritage. The prime minister’s comments have not aged well.

Afua Hirsch

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/12/donald-trump-brexit-britain-lonely-uk-white-house-ireland-india-jamaica

GagaJo Fri 15-Jan-21 19:30:35

I agree MayBee, if you are in danger or if it is risky to confront someone or you are vulnerable, better not to take a head on confrontation. But I would definitely avoid a direct answer, to avoid them continuing that conversation. Or I would deflect and change the subject.

If there were other people present, however, I WOULD now make a comment about inappropriate comments. One of my colleagues does it. If the boss isn't there, I tell him directly, I am not interested or I disagree with him. If she IS there, I change the subject or look at the ground to avoid joining in.

The thing is, my family are mixed race. I imagine racist comments being directed at my DGS. And I can't bear that thought so I stand up to racism for him.