Boris' 'oven ready' deal becomes 'No Deal'

If Biden does win its going to be a problem for BJ as it’s going to be much slower getting a trade deal with the US. Once they have got the Ireland issue agreed it will probably be little different, because the issues are the same - Buy America.

annodomini

One snippet I half heard is that BJ is dragging his heels on agreement with the EU until he knows the outcome of the US presidential election. Could this be so? And if it is, which horse is he backing?

I think that is true. He of course is desperate for a Trump win because of Brexit.

Biden is of Irish heritage, and has said that he thinks brexit is a massive mistake, as the USA prefers the U.K. remains in the EU because of our influence. Outside of the EU we are nothing and no use to the USA.

One snippet I half heard is that BJ is dragging his heels on agreement with the EU until he knows the outcome of the US presidential election. Could this be so? And if it is, which horse is he backing?

Whitewavemark2

Here. Is the message from the Board of Trade.

You couldn’t make it up!!

“The bakers used a lot of soya sauce in the first challenge on #GBBO, so it's a good thing it will be made cheaper thanks to our trade deal with Japan”

As, apparently, most of the soy sauce we currently buy comes from the Netherlands it's likely to become more expensive with its 'no deal' tariff on post 31/12/20 ?

vegansrock

Those who have converted ££s into €s will be laughing ( those hedge funds)

Sterling has been too low for too long it is getting lot of support at €1.08, the financial markets have already factored in no deal. Short selling the Euro or even the Dollar would be a better gamble, currency traders can make (or loose) money buying or selling.

From this very low base I am expecting Sterling to recover to €1.30 within 12months - back to 2016 values. Covid will have little effect because most nations have problems, some even worse than U.K., no reason for us to lower than other major currencies.

That my cup half full logic.

We’ve already got a trade deal with Japan via the EU, and it’s a better one than the standalone one. Plus it’s cost us £££££££s extra.

Here. Is the message from the Board of Trade.

You couldn’t make it up!!

“The bakers used a lot of soya sauce in the first challenge on #GBBO, so it's a good thing it will be made cheaper thanks to our trade deal with Japan”

Has anyone seen the message from the Board of Trade about Soy Sauce (they’ve spelt it soya sauce) post transition?????

Apparently the price will stay the same.

Good oh.

Why worry about no-deal Brexit? If Gove says it'll be better that's good enough for me

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/20/brexit-gove-no-deal-internal-borders

Those who have converted ££s into €s will be laughing ( those hedge funds)

There are quite a lot of billionaires, Tory donors, like the utterly repulsive Crispin Odey who has bet billions via hedge fund chicanery, on a no-deal brexit. They are rubbing their hands with glee.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/sep/28/hedge-fund-boss-crispin-odey-in-court-on-indecent-assault-charge

Not just Cumming, but the ERG as a whole. For reasons you state.

Oopsminty, the UK is asking the EU to negotiate the un-negotiable - to give in on basic principles which are immuable- and the ones Johnson himself signed and asked the House to countersign. Including the level playing field and the border between UK and EU which would leak like a sieve if it is not tight. That cannot move- Mrs May knew it well, and so did Johnson - and his Deal was quite a bit worse than hers. It is all nonsense- and clearly because that it what they always wanted. They lied and lied, because they knew no-one would vote for huge price hikes, for our agriculture industry to be destroyed (and it is massively bigger than fisheries- most of which have been sold to large foreign concerns anyhow), shortages of food and massive shortages of essential, life saving medicines and treatments, etc, etc.

Cummings doesn't want a deal. That’s well known, and it will include those who stand to gain enormously from betting on the stock market, should there be no deal.

However, I am hopeful that there are sufficient tories, who will put the interest of the U.K. before their own wealth.

I'm not sure why people think the government don't want a deal

I'd have thought they would wanting a deal. Logical surely

The EU will also want a deal.

Hundreds of thousands of jobs would be at risk both here and in Europe

And now we have Covid which has changed everything

I'm quietly confident a deal will be reached

Report by some outlets that there is a provisional agreement with the EFTAs.

No details.

I see Nuffield have announced that the NHS will find it almost impossible to cope post December if a deal is not struck.

Let's just remind ourselves of the assurance that persuaded many guillible voters to vote Leave

twitter.com/iandunt/status/799282286185222145?lang=en

The costly adverts have changed from Let’s Get Going to check the paperwork, there will be fees to pay etc, all this when the govt don’t have a Scooby Doo what businesses are supposed to be doing in preparation.

Apparently the conference with business leaders re preparations for No Deal and chaos in just over 2 months' time went well today - NOT

I don't think that the government ever wanted a deal. We're heading over a cliff, there's going to be some big winners, needless to say that the majority will pay. I wonder how future generations will judge this period of history.

All countries depend on other countries in one way or another.

I just don't see this mythical 'independence' as being a 'benefit' even if paranoid Brexit voters do.

Sod the money it's supposed to be 'saving' us, because that's already been spaffed up the wall by the process of 'leaving', the loss of many businesses and the cost of lorry parks and extra red tape. It never bothered me that a portion of our 'membership' fee was going towards helping poorer countries develop their economies. The 'fee' was such a tiny portion of our national budget, less than 2%, and I thought that the indignation aroused by the thought of contributing to the growth of poorer member states was petty and mean spirited (and I still do).

We’ve already spent more on Brexit than our 47 years of membership contribution and it’s going to increase. So the saving money argument doesn’t add up. Anyway, what’s wrong with cooperation, helping others etc? Independence? No country is truly independent as they rely on others for all sorts of food, goods etc. which requires agreements and respecting other standards and laws Not just I’m all right Jack, I’m the boss attitude, The holy grail of true independence is undeliverable. Scotland and many of us didn't view the EU as a yoke , rather a protection, equal partners.

I didn’t see the post, but was very surprised that pantglas had a post deleted.?

How bizarre that pantglas post was deleted ? She was talking about a friend of hers, nothing to do with GN . Weird.