Yet another MP who doesn't keep the rules, what a hypocrite!

Nan she has been asked to resign - for some unfathomable reason she has not. There is nothing more that can be done pending the outcome of the Standards Committee.

suziewoozie

She’s had the whip withdrawn. I’m so fed up and ?? . What is the matter with these people - but this is the most egregious example yet

Exactly.

She should - asap. But it all started with Cummings - and herein is the massive hypocrisy. Rules and sanctions should be applied to all- irrespective of political views or affiliation.

It all started with Stephen Kinnock actually!

Jaberwok

It all started with Stephen Kinnock actually!

That’s just not true but hey, whatever version of reality floats the right wing boat ?

Kinnock visited his parents on 28th March, Cummings travelled on the 29th . Blackford equally travelled to Skye during lockdown. However, this latest episode is by far the most serious, and does beggar belief! Dear old Jeremy has apologised for presumably not being able to count, so that's ok. Stanley ditto presumably for being senile ( must remember that one).

It’s nothing to do with the dates - what started everything were the revelations about Cummings and your leader’s refusal to condemn him. As if Kinnock started anything fgs.

Stephen Kinnock was found to have breached COVID guidelines when he visited his father on the 28th March, just 1 week into the national lockdown. Was there another MP who decided that the pandemic guidelines didn't apply to them before him suziewoozie?

The real point is that the breaking of rules/guidance/ laws has not been dealt with in a structured and transparent way. Yes of course it’s a spectrum and MF is at the far end of it but real leadership in addressing breaches in this ( and everything else todo with COVId ) has been and continues to be spectacularly absent. Johnson is no,leader. Who knew? ?

Chew see my post to Jabber

Yes, Stephen Kinnock was the first ( that we know of) to bend the rules, and yes, it is a spectrum of seriousness with the latest SNP Margaret Ferrier being at the worst end.Johnson is everybody's leader btw ( even if you didn’t vote for him.)
There is a range of fines in place, but for smaller transgressions ( Corbyn and Stanley J) there is presumably a warning first, then fines if it happened again.

I don't give a damn which side of the political spectrum they're from, but it really is pissing me off that so many MPs and political "advisors" do what the hell they like, with apparent immunity from any consequences, whilst telling the rest of the population that they face punitive fines if the transgress. All hypocrites. All should face criminal proceedings, retrospectively if possible.

Hear hear chewbacca

Suziewoozy, I entirely agree about trying to make this party political. I gather from contacts who work at Holyrood that Nicola was incandescent when the news broke. She and Margaret Ferrier had been friends but there was no question of covering up (see Johnson and Cummings) and trying to ride it out. The SNP did everything it could, the Westminster whip was taken from her and she was suspended from the party. Nobody has the power to sack her as an MP or force her to resign but she has been strongly encouraged to do so.

Chew see my post to Jabber

Think that Jabberwock might be correct Suziewoozie. Stephen Kinnock was reported to have breached statutory COVID guidelines on the 29th March, almost 8 weeks before Cummings buggered off to Northumberland. Both should have been arrested and fined imo.

It’s not about dates - it’s about how the behaviours impacted public trust and behaviour. Sorry you’re not able to comprehend that somewhat important difference.

Sorry you’re not able to comprehend that somewhat important difference.

Hey hang on a minute Suziewoozie, no need for such aggression! I was simply pointing out the chronological order of the acts of arrogance by MPs, not which one was the front runner in being causal for the general public losing patience with them. I can see that you've had a "set too" with another poster on here earlier but please don't take your resultant waspishness out on me.

Nice Chew nice. By set to you mean Gwyneth who posted lies about me and that for some unbelievably silly reason I objected to? Very nice indeed. I guess you’d be totally blasé a out posters accusing you of lying? Yeah right

And thinking it’s about chronology and not impact is plain daft

All behaviour impact on the public’s trust, be it Stephen Kinnock or anyone else.MP’s are particularly subject to public scrutiny and if they disregard rules it’s difficult to get compliance from Joe Soap in the street.

lemongrove

All behaviour impact on the public’s trust, be it Stephen Kinnock or anyone else.MP’s are particularly subject to public scrutiny and if they disregard rules it’s difficult to get compliance from Joe Soap in the street.

And yes that’s the point - but the seriousness of the breach and the import of person breaching are relevant to any discussion

Jaberwok, the offhand reference to "Blackford equally travelled to Skye during lockdown." He went home on the 26th March as all MPs were entitled to do after the house rose on the 25th. After he got home, he self isolated for 2 weeks.

Don't tar him with the same brush as all the rule-breakers.

Alegrias

*Jaberwok*, the offhand reference to "Blackford equally travelled to Skye during lockdown." He went home on the 26th March as all MPs were entitled to do after the house rose on the 25th. After he got home, he self isolated for 2 weeks.

Don't tar him with the same brush as all the rule-breakers.

That’s exactly the issue Alegrias. Some posters just post anything that fits their beliefs and appear to have scant regard for the truth, IB did NOT do anything ‘equally’ Jabber. What you posted was at best lazy and at worst deliberately misleading . He has a wife with a serious lung condition and made it clear AT THE TIME that he self isolated from her on his return because of the prevalence of the virus in London.

Yes that's what I was referring to Suziewoozie and no, I wouldn't be any happier, or blase about it, than you are. But please don't take your resultant ill temper out on me.
I do think the chronology of the MPs' COVID transgressions have a relevance to how Joe Public has reacted to them. In March, when the pandemic first began to have an impact, everyone was so shocked at what was going on that I think Stephen Kinnocks "transgression" was largely overlooked. It was only as time went on, and the seriousness of the situation became increasingly apparent, that Joe Public noticed the astounding arrogance of MPs and government advisers who decided that the rules didn't apply to them. By the time Cummings had hit the headlines in May, and we'd all had our normal lives severely curtailed, they were in no mood to accept double standards and hypocrisy from anyone.

suziewoozie, It was you who said Cummings started this ball rolling, I just pointed out that Stephen Kinnock got there first, that's all. D.C had a vulnerable child to care for if he or his wife became lll. No one would buy that so why should we buy Ian Blackfords wife?! Is one more important than the other?

Jaberwok, IB's wife is irrelevant. Like any other MP, he went home at the end of the parliamentary session. His wife was there. You don't have to buy any story.