Brexit Re-booted

Crummy apprenticeship schemes which don't lead to a job. Maybe they should all set up online porn sites.

vegansrock

Why does the U.K. make a fuss about fishing? It’s tiny part of out gdp. It’s terrible environmentally. There’s one Scottish family that owns half the U.K. fishing, the rest is foreign owned.

The truth is that the government doesn't give a hoot about fishing, but it wants to make the EU look like the bad guys.

That Tory donor chap who got the housing bung from the minister made his money out of porn mags. Seems to be a theme.

If you look, you’ll find.
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Just as well someone’s looking otherwise we’d never know would we ? They can pull the wool over some eyes.

Good things are out there too. Depends where your interests lie.

Vegan, it’s not quite as you describe it, most of Scottish Fishing quota is held by a small number of Scottish families. English quota is about half foreign owned, Northern Ireland quota is mostly tied to one trawler!.
The value of quota depends on supply and demand, we’ve seen this with other commodities, changes in regulations can reduce value, even to zero. There will have to be an agreement on fisheries because the alternative is half the navy being used in a fisheries war.

Urmstongran

Good things are out there too. Depends where your interests lie.

For example ? Genuine question.

Apprenticeship Schemes. Historically an “apprentice“ was employed by a tradesman on low wages and learned the “trade” over a number of years. This was usually in conjunction with college training or day release training, some apprentices still follow a similar course but nowhere near enough.

The change came some years ago when 18 yrs became the school leaving age. Vocational students - about 50% of leavers had to decide wether find work or continue college training.

The brightest, that might have become electricians, plumbers and other skilled trades were encouraged to go to University to get more qualifications. At 21 most enter the job market expecting an adult wage but most have had poor quality training, little work experience and no employment record.

There is plenty of skilled work available, it is mostly being done by migrant workers, if migrant workers were not available employers would have to train apprentices, it’s fairly easy to compel employers to train UK workers, a number do already. What is more difficult is to encourage trainees to commit to learning a skilled trade at 18, the present system is not going to change anything.

Vote Leave director admits they won by lying

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/vote-leave-director-admits-won-lied-public/08/02/

The FT is reporting that Johnson has abandoned hope of reaching a trade deal with the USA before the November election. Why on Earth they thought it was possible in the first place beats me.

It’s all going well isn’t it?

No USA deal

No EU deal

No deals at all so far.

What a future

Whatever happened to all these marvellous "oven-ready" deals?

Isn’t the majority of our trade already done under WTO rules already? We won’t starve.

Let’s try a bit harder not to be doomsters.

Often the EU negotiate a little bit harder at the 11th hour. No Deal will be difficult for both sides.

I still think a deal will be struck. This is like a high powered game of ‘chicken’.

I don't think that you are right UG when you assert that most of our trade is done under WHO rules. Most of our trade is done via our EU membrship, EU trade treaties and other trade treaties.

However I hope you are right UG that a deal will be struck as the alternative of a no-deal brexit is just too appalling to contemplate.

WTO is almost defunct.

ug why on Earth you feel the need to cope Johnson’s turn of phrase is beyond me. The man is an idiot.

It was the WA that was oven ready not trade deals.

Jabberwok

It was the WA that was oven ready not trade deals.

And Johnson is now seeking to change the WA which those living in Europe rely upon for reciprocal health agreements and annual increases to state pensions, among other things.

Just another meaningless soundbite.

bylinetimes.com/2020/06/10/boris-johnsons-oven-ready-brexit-deal-was-another-half-baked-lie/

Isn’t the majority of our trade already done under WTO rules already?

Our trade is done under agreements negotiated by the EU. Trade agreements, as I understand it, don't have to conform to WTO 'rules'. WTO is a base line for countries which don't have trade agreements.

On 1st Jan 2021 all agreements we currently trade under will be void, apart from the very few minor ones that have been rolled over.

It was the WA that was oven ready not trade deals.

Tories are now angling to renege on the WA.

Urmstongran

If you look, you’ll find.
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Richard Desmond's history in pornography has never been a secret so it's not a question of looking

Oh, apologies for repetition, WTO already dealt with.

"Investors cheer euro’s prospects after ‘milestone’ EU deal
European currency set for more gains as investors shift from the US, analysts say"

from the FT

Don't you just wish that you lived in an EU country?

Even Stanley wants a re-run now. Mind you, he is the one who has known for the longest time that Boris is an idiot and an utterly selfish spoilt brat.

The fundamental point here is not that we would have remained in the EU if it hadn’t been for shady officials in Moscow, or troll farms in St Petersburg. Even if such a smoking gun exists, it will probably never be found. Rather, the government had reason to suspect a violation of our democratic processes and ignored it. An admission of such a breach would have caused embarrassment. It could have made life even more difficult on the global stage. Worst of all, it would have demanded greater justification for the national self-sabotage our government has resolved, at any cost, to implement.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/21/russian-meddling-brexit-referendum-tories-russia-report-government

Support for Brexit is collapsing as poll finds big majority of British people want to be in the EU

www.businessinsider.com/brexit-poll-most-british-people-want-to-rejoin-eu-2020-6?r=US&IR=T

It is an utter tragedy that the UK is leaving the EU because of the will of Mr Putin and the newspaper proprietors against the will of the majority of UK citizens.