Pulling back from BLM

I was responding to growstuff’s posting in which she said “quite a few people were conned”.

25Avalon

So people were conned?

I'd not say they were conned, 25Avalon

Just uninformed. Some American friends of mine have been stunned at seeing footballers/police/politicians etc 'taking the knee'.

We were rightly horrified by George Floyd's, ( and others) deaths by the hand of the police.

But BLM has been running for 7 years now and has a full website that people can read for themselves.

It appears that people just thought they were against police brutality, (which I agree with) but as geekesse has pointed out, we are not USA and the issues faced there are different.

BLM originated, as one might expect, in the US. The way policing in the US is funded is quite different from the way it works in the UK. The calls to defund police make sense in a US context, where budgets are divided up from one pot, so defunding police frees up money to be used for social projects. It doesn’t make sense in this country, where policing and social services come from different budget streams, and those BLM people calling for defunding police in the UK seem to be unaware of the distinction.

So people were conned?

Thanks Oopsminty. I was concerned when I saw Keir Starmer take the knee. I am glad he was unaware at the time.

The original Black Lives Matter Global Network is different from the Black Lives Matter Foundation, to which I believe BLM UK is affiliated. The latter is a left-wing organisation calling for extreme measures.

The original movement would do well to disassociate itself from the upstarts and re-establish ownership of the initiative. I hope it does.

janeainsworth

Thanks Growstuff. That sounds rather devious, doesn't it.

It certainly is and has done the whole movement a lot of damage. People will now associate more equality with extremist views.

GagaJo

Another extreme right-wing thread with the same old characters. How refreshing.

Gaga

Take a minute to read their website

There is nothing extreme right about these messages on this thread. The only extreme anything is the left

blacklivesmatter.com/

Don't you be disrespecting this group by insisting it's a different thing, because it's not.

Can't believe it's taken footballers to do a spot of research

Our politicians and journalists should have been on this

Black Lives Matter is a central target of disinformation and you are a key line of defense. Report suspicious sites, stories, ads, social accounts, and posts about BLM.

Keir Starmer himself is not happy now he's learned what they're about

Thanks Growstuff. That sounds rather devious, doesn't it.

Hang on a minute before you all jump on the anti-BLM bandwagon!

BLM UK always was a completely separate organisation from the international BLM movement, which was the inspiration for the original marches.

The BLM movement was a grassroots organisation with no official leadership, but there's a federation which issued a condemnation of BLM UK, which is a left-wing movement using the BLM name. Quite a few people were conned and have made donations.

It doesn't negate the original messages.

Gagajo It's about equal rights. Clearly not everyone on this site feels that the lives and rights of black people matter as much as those of white people.

Surely it's possible to believe black people's lives and rights matter at the same time as questioning the allegiances & origins of the BLM movement.
The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Any organisation should stand up to scrutiny, whether it's BLM or the Tory Party.

GagaJo

At least BLM isn't killing off old white people. Unlike the Tories.

Another of those perceptive and reasoned comments it isn’t.
Do you ever think before you wade in Gagajo?

I saw Keir Starmer taking the knee on the news a few days ago.

Was he aware of this Marxist movement?

We’re the extreme right now. Disgraceful labelling of any person with a different point of view or opinion.

The so called tolerant liberal left are just as fanatical, unforgiving and aggressive as religious fundamentalists. Totally unable to see beyond their own rigid, blinkered viewpoint.

It’s a scary thought 25Avalon and I share your concern but thankfully it will never happen.

Although the Left wing, ‘ blame the Tories for everything’ brigade are very vocal on GN it is reassuring to remember that they and their views are in the minority in this country.

No matter how much they try to force their views, common sense prevails when it matters thankfully.

At least BLM isn't killing off old white people. Unlike the Tories.

Another extreme right-wing thread with the same old characters. How refreshing.

Quite so Tickingbird. Hopefully the voice of reason will soon be heard. Otherwise we descend in to anarchy and finally a Marxist state where people like GagaJo et al not to mention the rest of us will not be allowed any say at all.

BLM did not make any secret of their aims from the start and their organisers made no secret that they were a Marxist organisation unfortunately a lot of people donated before checking out the background and website.
People have lost their jobs for trying to speak out and I do hope they will be reinstated at some point in the future when more comes to light. There has been a lot of confusion between BLM the organisation and activist group and the phrase "black lives matter' which few would dispute as of course all lives matter.

Gagajo Anything you can’t blame the Tories for? BLM is a left wing organisation which has cynically used the injustices experienced by black people in an attempt to bring anarchy to bear in the UK.

The scary part Avalon is that some people will not see what their blinkered eyes and closed minds don’t want to.

I didn’t know the wearing of the poppy was banned Avalon,
thank you

GagaJo so you believe BLM is a political movement.

Anniebach there is an FA rule that you are not permitted to make political statements or have such slogans on your shirts. The wearing of the poppy was banned on shirts for that reason. They have broken their own rules in allowing footballers to wear these shirts.
Now footballers black and white are realising what BLM Organisation is about and have spoken out against it and prefer lawful ways of promoting anti racism.

I see the military have banned any of their forces from taking the knee as it is political. FA and Police take note.

Keep excusing yourselves. BLM is a grassroots movement. Leaderships may be forming, but this started from the people up.

It's about equal rights. Clearly not everyone on this site feels that the lives and rights of black people matter as much as those of white people.

If you want to start picking apart a political organisation, try starting with the Tory party. Responsibile for the deaths of thousands of elderly people.

Finally people are listening. If only they had looked into BLMUK a few weeks ago they would have seen this is an extreme left wing organisation that wants the destruction of our country not just statues. I have been asking people on GN to read up on this organisation before jumping in. The organisers have duped everyone. Now the question of what this anonymous organisation has done with all the money it raised becomes imperative.