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The Labour shadow Culture Secretary - wearing this in the HoC?

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Urmstongran Tue 04-Feb-20 21:44:23

Oh dear.

Tracy Brabin, aged 58y, Labour MP for Batley, ex ‘Corrie’ soap actress wore this yesterday in the HoC.

I was embarrassed on her behalf. What do you think about her choice of outfit for work?

SirChenjin Fri 07-Feb-20 08:26:51

Not to the same extent davidh - they’re just not. Women are judged far more on how they look than their achievements in comparison to men - ‘‘twas always thus. Look at the vitriol that is directed at Mary Beard for example because her hair and her teeth don’t conform to standard - when was the last time you saw David Attenborough come in for such criticism? His teeth and hair don’t conform either, but it’s just not an issue. This sort of disparity is so engrained in casual sexism.

GracesGranMK3 Fri 07-Feb-20 08:37:06

I agree that Tracy Brabin stands head and shoulder/s above the nasty, vitriolic, keyboard warriors who have nothing better to do than castigate other women for what they wear.

Hopefully, these people will see just how low they have sunk, joining the no brian amoebas of this world, and bid for the top thus making sure the Girlguides get the best donation possible.

Nezumi65 Fri 07-Feb-20 08:46:16

They do not attract the same criticism Davidhs. Cummings is presumably a ‘professional’ - yet no outcries over his non-professional dress.

SirChenjin Fri 07-Feb-20 08:55:15

Or if there is criticism it’s not nearly on the same level - the kind of misogynistic, offensive, sexist language that has been directed at Brabin simply doesn’t compare.

Greymar Fri 07-Feb-20 08:58:53

My teeth don't conform, more sheep than human tbh.

Nezumi65 Fri 07-Feb-20 09:00:25

Agree SirChenjin

Sheep teeth quite handy - they keep growing

Callistemon Fri 07-Feb-20 09:37:46

Let's hope that this incident will be the end of anyone of whatever gender, who is in the public eye representing us, receiving criticism for the way they look, the way dress when on or off duty.

Callistemon Fri 07-Feb-20 09:38:25

the way they dress

ananimous Fri 07-Feb-20 09:51:40

It's not like she broke any rules - Wait, what!

Baggs Fri 07-Feb-20 09:58:55

I suppose peacocks' tails don't get criticised much. Talked about though. Analysed. Explained.

Chestnut Fri 07-Feb-20 10:00:13

There are so many posters making excuses for her, and shaming anyone who says it's not suitable attire for the HoC. The same people who criticise Boris for his hair and his suit.?‍♂️

growstuff Fri 07-Feb-20 10:02:12

There are people explaining why she was wearing what she was.

suziewoozie Fri 07-Feb-20 10:14:23

Btw in the interests of factual accuracy (???) DC is a SPAD
SPADS are paid for by us ie the tax payers. BJ has continued the trend of employing more SPADS. I never cease to be amazed on GN how people post things that are factually completely wrong ( ill informed opinions being a different issue).

SirChenjin Fri 07-Feb-20 10:26:36

Not ‘making excuses for her’ - keeping a healthy dose of perspective re what was important that day and voicing my disgust at the attacks levelled at her on social media and in the press.

trisher Fri 07-Feb-20 10:46:56

There have been a few posts on this thread about how some of us apparently have double standards, particularly as regards Mrs May and a thread I started about Michael Gove's new look. It isn't double standards to look at what someone is wearing and how they look. Now the photo of Tracy making a speech in that dress doesn't look good, she does look good in the photo at the music event. TM didn't look good in the summer dress. That said they can wear exacty what they like when they like as far as I'm concerned, but if they look awful why not say so? Which brings us on to M. Gove not someone known for his looks but who has certainly made at least an effort for some reason. It seems to me to be a subject of interest when male politicians start taking up male grooming and maybe more. But it seems only women can be commented about or criticised. I don't particularly care what any of them wear or how they look and I completely disagree with those who are castigating Tracy and saying this dress was unsuitable for the H of C. The H of C is a bastion of male privelege and works hours which are not family friendly or in any way accommodating to women. However a woman dresses she should be applauded for getting there and if she turns up in her jammies, dressing gown and slippers who the hell gives a flying fuck?

Greymar Fri 07-Feb-20 10:51:45

I have seen various female politicians wearing rather odd outfits. I never gave it much thought.

Urmstongran Fri 07-Feb-20 10:54:57

if you accept the job you accept the dress code

Well said Davidhs.

Chestnut Fri 07-Feb-20 10:57:28

trisher - as said on this thread many times, dress code in the HoC is important as it indicates a professional attitude and people are not distracted by what you're wearing. Do you honestly think anyone would take someone seriously if they turned up in nightclothes? What utter nonsense.

trisher Fri 07-Feb-20 11:04:36

Chestnut men habitually turn up in evening dress plucked from a boozy dinner or night out to vote or even speak. That's permissible, but a woman who has been at home nursing a baby can't turn up in her dressing gown and slippers. That's why the patriachy still rules.

Urmstongran Fri 07-Feb-20 11:04:50

Odd is okay Greymar as that’s a matter of personal choice. This is more about the amount of skin exposure in the workplace. Most workplaces actually. More so front of house. It’s off-putting to most.

I get it, she dashed from one event to another. But come on, it was cold day in early February. She would have been wearing a coat or a jacket. She chose to remove it.

Look at me - much?

She’s been an actress (sorry ‘actor) on television. She knew what she was doing. Very clever way to raise her profile.

jo1book Fri 07-Feb-20 11:20:42

I very much care how these people turn up for work. We vote for these people and they should show a little respect. This outfit was disrespectful to her Office and an insult to her Party.

SirChenjin Fri 07-Feb-20 11:26:59

The insult here wasn’t that Brabin showed a bit of shoulder - it was the insult to and complete lack of respect for democracy exhibited by the Tories and their unelected advisors. Well done to that woman for rightly highlighting it - that is where the ire should be directed.

trisher Fri 07-Feb-20 11:27:57

jolbrook but a man in a dress suit with a few whiskies and a bottle of wine in him is acceptable, because he looks smart????

annep1 Fri 07-Feb-20 11:32:10

RLB was on tv this morning and said she gets comments tweeted every day, even on her eyebrows. This is ridiculous.

Chestnut Fri 07-Feb-20 11:38:08

trisher of course it's not acceptable for an MP to turn up drunk. Can you quote examples of MPs turning up with 'a few whiskies and a bottle of wine' in them? By the way, TB wasn't breathalysed was she? That's a whole new debate ?