Sensible discussion on Labour Leadership hopefuls

Fair point Grandad1943

The questions every person who votes in this contest needs to have in mind when they vote :

“ Who would the Tories most fear ? Who do the Tories think could beat them ? “

RLB would be the Tories dream candidate. They would hardly be able to believe their luck...again. Sorry.

Brexit was the overriding debate in the recent general election, and for the Labour Party it proved to be an unbridgeable divide between its traditional supporters in the North who were in favour of Britain leaving the EU and its southern England remain Supporters. However, that is now all water under the bridge.

Following the loss of the 2014 general election, the Labour movement was very much on the verge of tearing itself apart. Years of allowing Blair and Brown to turn "New Labour" into an organisation which had become very detached from the broader labour movement in the country had proven to be a failure. The Parliamentary Labour Party was still very reliant on funding by way of the affiliation subscriptions of trade union members, while its polices in no way subscribed to the wider employment ambitions of those working people and their families.

Jeremy Corbyn realised the above, and in that got elected as Labour leader and from that position returned the Parliamentary Party to being a core integral sector of the broader Labour movement with policies in line with its traditional core values.

In the above, it may well be that in the forthcoming year's historians may look upon Corbyn as the person who saved the Labour movement from destroying itself. However, moving the Parliamentary Labour Party back onto a left-wing stance caused dissension within a number of right leaning Labour MPs that Corbyn always felt he could come to terms with. Sadly, and in the end, history may well also demonstrate that Jeremy Corbyn did not act hard enough on those dissenters, and that contributed to the electoral losses.

Whoever becomes the new Leader of the Parliamentary Party there can be, and will not be, any return to the days and policies of Blair and Brown. Buttering up to Bankers, non-dom tax exiles and the likes of Rupert Murdoch will never again be acceptable in any part of the Labour movement, of that I am sure

Therefore, Labour should remain on a strong left wing platform into the future, and if and when Brexit, deregulation and unbridled capitalism hit working families hard, then just remind them it was such that the majority voted for in 2019.

Yes, I apologise about the KS dig suziewoozie it was a bit mean of me.

I will behave better on this thread as I genuinely am interested.

Silliness got the better of me.
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I agree Iam The general quality of this type of debate on MN far exceeds what is on GN. You’ve only got to compare the whole swathe of ill informed comments on here re KS to see that.

No Urm you just want to rubbish them all - hence your post on KS being absent,

I've just had a wander to the dark side, otherwise known as mums net. Their discussion on the Labour leadership gave me hope. It's well informed, interesting and the indications are that Starmer is thought of as a good potential leader. A number of posters have joined/rejoined in order to be able to vote, not for the Momentum candidates. The consensus is Labour needs a leader who is electable, not a Corbyn follow on candidate.

To clarify: other posters

I've read some very positive posts on here and also posts questioning why some other, more experienced, Parliamentarians have not put themselves forward.

Perhaps others were also having a break.

The thread is open to everyone, so why not post?

Poor Grandad, you're doing OK.
Send for reinforcements.

Ah seriously GG13 I’d like a robust opposition to Boris. In a democracy I think being held to account is very important. Hold his feet to the fire as it were.

I’m joining in this discussion because I’m genuinely interested in which candidate Labour choose.

When GGMK3 asks a question, I'm happy to give an honest answer! She should be used to threads being "trashed", she's an expert at it.

GGm3 , you could always join one of the Labour Party forums.

Seems you just proved GraceGranmk3's point Opal

So this forum is a complete waste of time for those who have a real interest in the Labour Party and its leadership election? On the one hand we are told anything like that will be trashed(UG ) and on the other and this is immediately shown to be true by Opal.

I haven't missed any thing in the last few days then.

Other than Grandad this just seems to be a thread in readiness to try and trash whoever wins.

Let's face it, with the exception of Lisa Nandy, whoever wins will be trash. What an idiot RLB is to say Jeremy Corbyn is a "10 out of 10" leader - yeah right, he was so great, he lost miserably at the GE, the worst result for Labour for over 80 years. Labour have learned nothing.

I post on here, and am a Labour party member with an interest in the leadership, just don't always organise myself to post regularly GraceGran mk3
I agree that it sometimes seems as if Grandad is on his own.

You can try GG13 and good luck. Bear in mind though months ago (? a year) I tried to set up a positive thread about GOOD NEWS about Brexit.

There were many enthusiastic posts but very soon it got hijacked (and stayed that way) from people saying ‘you can’t tell me what to post/ban me from posting on here’ etc.
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In fact, if I’m not mistaken, you were one of those posters ....

Haha Urm just imagine if he were there opposing, you’d be criticising him for not accepting the will of the people. Yes his leadership bid is far more important at the moment than going through the motions of opposing this bill.

The EU withdrawal bill is going through parliament now and there's only one Labour back-bench MP in parliament.

I thought Keir Starmer was the shadow Brexit secretary. Perhaps his leadership bid is now more important than doing his day job. So much for forensic opposition.

It wasn’t done when Corbyn undermined several labour leaders

Does anyone know of a forum where people who have a positive interest in the Labour Party post. Other than Grandad this just seems to be a thread in readiness to try and trash whoever wins.

....is censured to the fullest even if that involves removing the House of Commons Whip from such persons...

Is that what Boris did when he removed the whip from those 20-odd of his Tory MP’s who, as Remainers, went against his Brexit plans?

If it is, I can understand the logic. A party needs to back their leader.

Just hope Labour choose the right one!

Urmstongran, in regard to your post @17:21 today, what Rebecca Long-Bailey must undertake as priority should she be elected as Labour leader would be to bring back real discipline and unity within the Parliamentary Labour Party. That will be ensured if she takes firm action with any Labour MP that attempts to undermine her leadership by selling often untrue or heavily slanted stories to right wing newspapers etc.

There are well laid down procedures for raising issues and grievances throughout the Labour movement by way of any number of organisational bodies, and MPs can take any issue they may have directly to the National Executive.

Therefore Long-Bailey as leader must ensure that any member of the Parliamentary Labour Party who does not use the above procedures is censured to the fullest even if that involves removing the House of Commons Whip from such persons and having them expelled from the party.

Never again can it be that lay activists are asked to place large amounts of their time during election periods in support of standing MPs who have done nothing else but undermine an elected leadership for any number of years.

So much for ignoring my posts then anniebach. ?

Grandad1943 ?

Actually regards RLB though she has spent 4 long years writing the failed policies on which Labour built this catastrophic electoral defeat.

And her plan for the years ahead? To continue with those policies.

Marvellous.