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Starmer is talking to the DUP in the hope that a new alliance can be formed which will, it is hoped, force the government into a softer departure or/and confirmatory vote on whether to leave at all.
The softer departure will take the form of a customs union, which is obviously attractive to the DUP.
It is thought that there is enough cross party support for a CU. amendment.
Johnson is trying to rush through all stages of the Brexit legislation before the EU summit pencilled in for next week, but parliament may reject this rushed timetable because it doesn’t give sufficient time to scrutinise such a hugely important bill, and there will be a vote on this tomorrow. It is hoped that parliament will insist on giving itself more time over the extended transition period.
Johnson is attempting to get parliamentary backing for his Brexit deal in a straight yes/no vote today. Hoping to show support for his agreement. But it is expected that a Bercow will enforce parliamentary rules that say that parliament can’t keep bringing the same vote back, as was voted on, on Saturday and Johnson lost.
One suspicion is that if Johnson can get a meaningful vote through he will withdraw his extension letter.
I hope Johnson pulls the bill and goes all out for a GE.
This would be the cleanest thing to do now to show what the country wants.If returned with a majority then MP’s will have no choice but to honour the vote to leave with no more ifs or buts.
Oh yes!
The Queen’s Speech?
Given the fuss and insistence that 5 weeks prorogation, the subsequent expense to the tax payer of a court case, you would think it would be given more (any/some) prominence wouldn’t you?
Don’t be silly!
That is yesterday’s news.
Apologise to HRH (or not) for dragging you out to try to further Johnson’s ambition.
I believe that the whole of Britain remaining within the customs union has to be an imperative part of the withdrawal agreement. That would ensure seamless traffic across both the EU and British borders once the United Kingdom has left the European Union.
In maintaining that customs agreement Britain would have to remain in close regulatory alignment in many other areas, therefore, protecting many standards in the UK which the Tories wish to see reduced.
Consequently, a customs union is a must, but it will be a hard fight in the House of Commons in the next few days to gain that I feel.
Today
All the focus will be on the Withdrawal Act Bill, and the second reading.
This lays out the legal basis for the UKs withdrawal under the Lisbon treaty.
Today is interesting because we will get a good idea of the level of support for the government and assuming it passes, although I think it will.
This is where MPs can start tabling amendments.
So those expected are.
Seeking a Customs Union for the whole of the U.K.
Approval of the deal conditional on a confirmatory referendum.
If any of these past and in my view it is a big if, it will require a departure extension, but also effectively wreck the bill.
Johnson would in these circumstances almost certainly go for an election,
If the amendments fail, then parliament will have a real job to get it through all the stages for the 31st
None of this is as important to Johnson as you might think, as for him all the blocking, defeating etc, feeds into his
“People V Parliament” narrative, which is what he is using to try to win his premiership. He is given huge support from sympathetic newspaper with headlines of attack from No 10;sources, who is of course Cummings.
Premiership is far more important to Johnson than Brexit or any other thing.
Yesterday
The government was told off for trying to break the rules set out in Erskine May covering a parliamentary procedure
“A motion or an amendment which is the same, in substance, as a question which has been decided during a session may not be brought forward again during the same session” 1604
This of course annoyed the government.
The first reading of the Withdrawal Act Bill was brought forward late in the day.
The Bill was made available very late in the day and the fact that such a complicated and significant bill will only be given a couple of days to debate.
Annoyed Parliament.
No one came out of yesterday very happy.
No; I'm spending a while living in a little bubble wherein things that would normally worry me doesn't as I'm seeing it from a brexiteers viewpoint. It's quite liberating. Eg; instead of being worried about yellowhammer being triggered I'm feeling happy that the people that want Brexit are doing everything they can to mitigate the damage they have caused by doing so. And I'm offering to help Johnson by digging a ditch for him [it was his idea]. I hadn't realised how great it was not having to give a flying flamingo about how Brexit might affect the poorer members of society or that some people might lose their jobs etc.
I must be dim Labaik
I don’t follow you?
Do you mean you are pretending to be a Brexiteer?
You are happy to dig that ditch for Boris - so you are still a Remainer then?
Yet you are joyous when you used to be sad. ... I’m definitely confused!!
As a born again brexiteer I'm prepared to dig Boris's ditch for him.....I'm quite enjoying being a BAB. News items that, up until now had me crying into my cup of tea now make me feel joyous and uplifted.
The Queen must feel very used. I would refuse to turn up, next time
Come on brexiters where us (sic) your dig for Britain spirit.
Honestly WWmk2 I don’t think you’re happy unless you are giving us Brexiteers a dig❗️
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I agree GG13 it’s hard going on here sometimes isn’t it?
And no Nonnie I do not think this forum represents ‘the will of the people’ it’s just that on here, there are more Remainers who want to post.
I wonder why that is? Hmm.
WWMK2, Sorry busy with my own veggie patch, let’s get some prisoners to do it.
Come on brexiters where us your dig for Britain spirit.
Surely some of you can spare time to pick fruit and veg ?
Nonnie. I would never call anyone “stupid”, and I can thoroughly understand why leave voters have given up posting on these threads. I question why I bother?
GG13 may I make an alternative suggestion? Perhaps the posters on here reflect the 'will of the people'? If so many of us share our views then it is possible that we are right unless you think we are all stupid? Just a thought
Urmstongran beginning to think it is only those who voted remain that matter, according to many posters on here.
I'm glad you enjoyed it, GG13.
More than a coward GG13 he showed he only wanted to lead and represent the Remainers of our country. The rest of us were of no account to him so he walked (humming as he left).
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GillT57 agree re Cameron, he was a coward to walk away.
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A few people who are bleating on about 'the will of the people' and about democracy in general need reminding that this country is being held hostage by a minority group of MPs within a less than minority government. Doesn't sound much like democracy to me. Sadly, this idiocy within parliament is being aided and abetted by the most ineffectual, weak, opposition leader Corbyn. What a mess it all is, and bloody Cameron should hang his head.
MaizieD thank you yet again for your patronising lecture on Governmental Procedures and the sovereignty of the H of Cs.
He's holed up with Cummings, thinking of the next stage in the cunning plan.
Don't be silly Whitwave. You know he doesn't keep his promises.
I'm not sick of the lot of them. I have the greatest respect for some of them, including Starmer, Grieve, Bercow and some others. The only ones I'm sick of are Johnson and his sycophants.
I have it on good authority that Johnson can be found in a ditch - place unknown.
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