Climate Change Demonstrations

Climate change protesters arrive in a' gas guzzling' fire engine. Honestly, do these idiotic protesters think we are all daft?

Another candidate for Littlejohn and his 'you couldn't make it up' file isn't it gillybob

Someone on this forum (I forget who) suggested my DGC got themselves involved with the XR . My answer was thank goodness they are not, as I think it is going to get very nasty indeed.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7532959/Climate-protesters-spray-fake-blood-Treasury.html

"An even greater challenge is the environment, and I’m very glad that we started to talk two years ago in this very house about black coal. It is not, maybe, the worst which causes climate problems, but it is — everybody can understand that if black comes down to ice and to snow, when the sun meets it, it melts down. And melting of sea ice in Arctic is very crucial. I used to say that if we lose the Arctic, we lose the globe."

Extract from a speech by The President of Finland at the White House.

www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-president-niinisto-republic-finland-joint-press-conference/

The next huge global action is going to start this coming Monday, 7th October, with the launch of Extinction Rebellion's Global Rebellion in 60 cities worldwide. Many of the people taking part will be grandparents, horrified at the future that we are handing on to our grandchildren, and their children. We have a chance to make a difference before it's too late.

If we take the Climate Change emergency seriously we must reduce imports, especially imports from the other side of the world.

In the UK we produce only 50% of our food. 30% comes from other EU countries and 20% from the rest of the world - that is from countries that are further away.

In order to be greener,and mitigate climate change, we need to produce more of our own food and if we have to import food, we must import it, if we possibly can, from the countries which are nearest to us, to reduce the costs of transport.

It is therefore more important than ever that we stay close to our nearest nieghbours in the EU.

Someone senior from XR might make a good web chat candidate. Be good to put these questions to rhem.

If you install 100Mw of windpower, you need 75Mw from non-wind (or solar) sources available as back-up for when the wind doesn't blow.

I agree Monica that tidal power which is constant and predictable, is the most important underdeveloped source of sustainable energy.

Think how much better it would have been if the North Sea oil bonanza of the 1980s had been invested in tidal technology

For every kilowatt of wind or solar we have to have a backup generator, if we get a windless period in winter there will be a power shortage. We rely on imported energy, 50% of our gas and significant electricity from France and Holland so nuclear, coal and biomass is important.

As we saw a few weeks ago a chain reaction of short power cuts causes untold disruption. So a large surplus or safety margin must be available, coal takes a fairly long start up time so is only really suitable for base load or planned peak loads.

Coal has one big advantage, large quantities of coal can be stored easily and in emergency conditions would keep the lights on. Although coal amounts to less than 5% of electricity generation, in a cold winter that is significant and should remain in the generation mix.

Yes, but tidal lagoons operate 24/7, and can be turned on or off to match power demand. That does not apply to nuclear or wind. With one it can supply base load but is not flexible, the other is entirely dependent on the wind which means one day it is supplying 50% of our power and the next 5%.

It is this flexible power generation, currently met by gas that has been completely lacking in all the plans for meeting our future energy needs reliably. More wind farms just make the problem more acute.

It is typical of all our political parties and their puny leaders that they do not understand the problem or the solutions, they just make glib promises about windpower, because it sounds good and are utterly lacking of understanding of the greatest crisis threatening the planet.

Currently the greatest problem we face in tackling global warming is filling the flexibility gap, how can we vote for parties that simply do not understand the problem, let alone the solutions.

I believe that this government turned down the idea of tidal lagoons as being far more expensive than wind turbines or nuclear.

This decision was based on a report the government had commissioned.

However, the company has since said that it will build the Swansea lagoon independently of government funding, this may have been one reason that Labour has not yet declared its intention over sea lagoons.

The UK no longer uses coal or oil, except in emergencies. I wish that Jeremy Corbyn had announced that any government he formed would invest in the tidal lagoons along the south Wales coast. They would have provided as much as 20% of our electricity 24/7 instead of more windfarms, which leave us at the mercy of the wind. We currently need more 24/7 renewable power sources, before we install more wind power.

Yes, we need to stop using coal and oil and invest in sustainables wind, tide and solar.. Some nation or group of nations has to start the ball rolling.

We also plant trees, and take care of the soil. Bound up with these measures is to stop feeding farm animals.

Well that’s where I came in MOnica, asking if anybody could point me to the plan the protesters have to counteract climate change.

How can there be any change if there isn’t an overall vision of the world as is it should be and a practical plan of how to get there?

Has anybody come up with anything?

If the presence of GT in the UN and her speech and the way she is being constantly put forward doesn't look like deep planning by others, I am not sure what else does.

Do you want me to believe that everything she has done has been organised and planned only by her and a few friends. Did she organise all the school strikes on her own with only a minimum of help. Remember these strikes were world wide.

She is being used as the spearhead for a campaign because of the emotive value of her age and innocence. Do you believe that a 34 year old conceptual artist from Stroud (should such exist) or equivalent could have been as effective in leading a campaign motivating teenagers and end up addressing the UN?

I wouldn't mind if they were running this campaign with a policy document showing how what they want to achieve is achievable and the means and technologies to do it, but the campaign is running on empty. There is no sign of such a document.

I might as well get my DGD to head a campaign to stop all wars by the end of 2020. No idea how this can be done, no plans, but the end of war by 2020 would be as great a benefit for the world as a solution for global warming.

Erm no , (when I last checked) houses do not have petrol pumps but there are at least 20 in my town and another 30 in the next town where just one 3 minute fill up will keep my car running everyday for almost 2 weeks gonegirl .

Oh well if they can get the recharge time down to three or four minutes like a petrol pump that would work. With say a 300 mile travel.

How far off is that do you think?

I still don’t know where the extra electricity is coming from though. Has anyone done any calculations?

By the way, the journey home I suggest is perfectly feasible and, unlike the sea journey most of it can be undertaken in comfort.

Many a traveller takes the Trans-Siberian railway to Vladivostok. Admittedly they fly the Pacific, but then train across the United States, far, far more than travel the Atlantic on a sailing boat.

monica your posts are beginning to get unpleasant without any evidence for your assertions.

,Gonegirl I am not and have not ever put her down. I respect her determination and eloquence. I just think it is misguided.

I refuse to say I agree with her just because she is 16. This is the emotional blackmail game ER are playing in taking her up and making her the spearhead for their campaign.

For Gods sake Monica! How much of your day is taken up with finding ways to put down this young girl?

Btw, do all houses currently have a petrol pump each, including terraced ones?

The company that provided the boat for the outward journey flew out a crew who were going to bring the boat back. I am not sure they expected her to be on board. I am sure the offer was very good for business.

She could get a train to Alaska, row across the Bering straits to Russia and get a train from there to Moscow and then to Norway.

Actually I have just checked, the train doesn't go to Alaska but she can get a train to a ferry port for Alaska. I also found that the TransSiberian railway ends at Vladivostok but she would be better picking up the train at Tarskaya and with winter closing in she could always use a dog-pulled sled to get there from the northern tip of Siberia.

EllanVarnin

Greta went there by boat and I assume she will return the same way.

I want to point out that we threaten our own existence in more ways than just cars.

There are chemical poisons and plastics everywhere.
What do we do about those?

The soil in which we grow our food has been robbed of nutrients by over farming (especially arable farming)
We need to consume less of everything.

Do we have a chance? I think the young have to take some responsibility as well as us older ones.
I have lead a very low impact life......I am not much of a consumer, I have always cared about the state of the planet and have been ridiculed for caring about organic farming many times. But all these different issues matter.

I don't think electric cars are the answer either.

There must a brainy bod somewhere with another solution.

I wouldn't using horses.

I don't want electric cable everywhere and it's not really doable in rural places.