Will the web being woven, hold?

Sorry if this question has already been posed, but on what grounds can we charge criminals with breaking the law ever again if the PM flouts the law?

It's most alarming to watch Cummings walking in and out of No10. If Johnson allows himself to be manipulated by that man, he's less of a leader than a lot of people seem to believe. Only a weak person would allow an adviser to run the show. Who's behind Cummings?

ginny I reckon it’s the Russians - based on no evidence whatsoever, except he lived and worked there and is obsessed by Russia.

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Mitch Benn ????
@MitchBenn
Apparently Dominic Cummings is warning that Remainers will “melt” when they see the next phase of his plan.
If it goes as well as the last phase, by this time next week we’ll have joined the Euro and Billy Bragg will be Prime Minister.

'jura2 you sound more British than the British!'...what's that supposed to mean??

Business likes clarity though. Boris as leader is providing that.

You may think that UG but it is not what we are hearing from businesses.

Why is it alarming to watch Cummings walk in and out of Downing St.? What should he do in his capacity as chief advisor , wait round the back?
I am all agog as to what could possibly cause Remainer (MPs)
To melt, aren’t you?

Oh for Christ sake, I can't listen to your crap any more lemon....

So what do you think Cumming meant by his warning that Remainers will "melt"?

You will be punished Labaik. Lemongrove also has friends in high places.

Are you the same Labaik who was pearl clutching about the ‘language of the gutter’ being used on GN just the other day?

I have no idea about what the ‘melting’ means growstuff I find it perplexing as there isn’t much to be cooked up really (now) I would have thought.

Do you keep a note of what I say. How flattering !!

Hardly!
I just found your post rather quaint at the time.

I guess he must have meant something. Whatever it was doesn't sound very pleasant, as he was referring to the "melting" of human beings.

He probably meant go into meltdown about what he and Johnson are thinking of doing, so it must be something radical....but what??
Or it could just be an empty threat to keep people guessing.

WWave, I enjoyed your comment at 21.15 yesterday. Billy Bragg as PM, good idea. (well a better idea than either BJ or JC sadly)
I keep reminding myself that Dominic Cummings isn't responsible for the mess we're in, it's his employer, Boris Johnson who makes the decisions. Mind you, we know that Mr Johnson seems unable to to stick anything, to make decisions that are better for his loved one's, colleagues or currently, the country. He's a charlatan and if he's being manipulated by someone with decidedly worrying personality traits - we truly are in trouble.
The DM reports that the terrible twosome have a Cunning Plan. Our PM is to obey the law by writing to Brussels to ask for an extension. Then, he'll send a second letter saying, sorry guys, can you ignore my first letter please. What could possibly go wrong?

This is what the naive think
Matt Hancock
@MattHancock

The Conservative party has always been a broad church shaped by those within it. Gutted to see Amber leave - but hope other One Nation Tories will stay and fight for the values we share

This is what is actually happening

Philip Hammond
@PhilipHammondUK

Sorry Matt, I’m afraid the Conservative Party has been taken over by unelected advisors, entryists and usurpers who are trying to turn it from a broad church into an extreme right-wing faction. Sadly, it is not the party I joined.

Are you on the side of the law breakers or law abiders?

Andrew Adonis
@Andrew_Adonis

The government used to be divided between soft Brexit & hard Brexit. Then between no deal & deal. Now it’s between law breakers & law abiders

How revolutions devour their children

There are those, sadly, who do not see that they are part of a revolution though Whitewave and think all this oh so serious situation requires is what they consider a funny quip.

I do appreciate that black humour often gets people through difficult situations but some do not even seem to see the problem. It's as if they laugh while the building they are in has its foundation's dug away. They laugh as the cracks appear in walls and the will laugh as walls fall down around us while arguing that "it's okay, these are not the walls that hold the building up" even while the architect consulted tells us "yes, they are". The think their knowledge is greater than the experts and, what if it isn't - we can, they tell us, still live in the cellar. We have done it in the war, so what if this is self inflicted; their wish is greater than an equal wish not to do this to ourselves. Their wish is greater than the knowledge of experts. Just for once, whether it's lawful or not, the want to feel they won and the debris of the fallen building will confirm that, no matter how many bodies lie underneath it.

There was, in the beginning, a blank piece of paper.
The public who bothered to get out of their beds to vote, voted, and the result was OUT.
Since then, the paper, which had one word writ large, has been despoiled time and again until it's black with scribbles and crossings out and crumpled and torn, largely by remainers who can't and won't accept democracy.
The blame lies squarely at their feet and on their shoulders.
Had they upheld the majority vote and agreed that a majority, however small, is a majority, negotiations would have been much simpler and smoother.
They and they alone started this crisis and are wholly culpable.

The OP is again, banging the drum of pessimism and all things hateful regarding our leaving the EU.
That viewpoint is invalid as the majority want to leave whichever spin she puts on it or however she tries to undermine democracy.

And that g54 is where we fundamentally differ.

I believe that it was not a democratic vote it was flawed and proven in the courts to be fraudulent. So I will never accept the vote. Cummings is in contempt because he refuses to answer to the charges.

However I am willing to accept as final another referendum, provided it is run entirely honestly.

It is imo the only way to resolve this utterly intractable issue.

The word was not "out" G54. It was "Leave". I have a feeling that, if you really worked as a solicitor, which is what you told us, I would not be coming to you if that is the way you present evidence.

Can you tell me, Gabriella, what there actually is to be optimistic about at this moment in time? I mean, one leaflet after the referendum [Let's Brexit; key truths about Brexit] said that 'countries which had signalled that they would like to open trade talks with the UK within 2 weeks of the referendum; Australia, Canada, China, Ghana, Iceland, India, Mexico, New Zealand, South Korea, USA. Meanwhile German industrialists had told their government that they expected it to ensure a free trade deal with the UK'. Can you tell me where, exactly, these talks are at the moment given that they were under the heading 'Truth 1'. [it also promised lower food prices, lower energy prices, more money for the NHS [yawn], more jobs and better wages for UK workers, better support for our farmers, revival of our fishing industry [the rights to most of it having been sold off long ago so not sure who would profit from that], and more foreign investment into the UK].

To whom it concerns.
I'm not in front of a court here, nor do many posters differentiate between leave and out when discussing Brexit, indeed, I was taking the conversation to the lowest common denominator to be sure that all understood as many posters don't even have the decency to use my username.