Prince Andrew

I can't believe you posted that Anniebach

So, consorting with a convicted paedophile, knowing that he procured under-age girls for sex and to provide sex for his 'friends', possibly under coercion is OK because it could be the fault of the girls?

How can the allegations made by the woman be proved ?

annie and ww that is beyond belief what you have just written.

The victims in this are young women who are groomed by these sophisticated and powerful men who know exactly what they are doing. What they are doing is illegal, just as it was with the Rochdale gang and others similar. Are you saying that the Rochdale females were to blame.

You both need to get a grip and think through what you are posting.

Calistemon I did not say that.

whitewave are you claiming the Rochdale men were rich and powerful ?

Your allegiance to the RF is astounding Annie ,maybe you need to take off those rose tinted specs...Grooming is grooming whether the men are rich or poor and these girls were groomed.The girl in the picture with Andy says she was told she had no option but to have sex with him ...he made her skin crawl.Would YOU want your daughter to be treated this way ..or maybe because he's a "prince" you think its an honour to be raped by him?

What rubbish paddyann

Andrew allegedly had sex with the girl in 2001.

Epstein was found guilty in 2008.

Andrew is guilty of any involvement after 2008 .

To say now he is appalled is a lie , he knew in 2008.

the Rochdale men were rich compared to the girls. Part of the grooming process was take aways, rides in fast cars and things which may seem quite pitiful to us but impressed those poor kids.

........there are plenty to choose from!
Hear Hear .........that last line says it all!

Who else is obnoxious? Was I the only one who found Saville very uncomfortable. I recall from an early age sensing something wasn't quite right.

I met him several times (Saville) owned a lot of nightclubs and luxury flats but got done for not taxing his Rolls!
He was slimy but a lot of them were back then and of course manipulative and clever with it....that’s how they do it, convince you they are harmless by charm, wit and cunning!

And of course ....money.....silences!

Anniebach I m surprised you are defending PrinceA of course it’s important for a man to be sure who he is having sex with, who he is keeping company with, and who his friends are He is obviously of the same ilk or else he wouldn’t be part of the ‘group’
That video of him waving goodbye to a young girl, peeping out of the door only opening it a tiny bit so he’s only just seen, says it all. If all was above board he would have been open about it not skulking behind an almost shut door afraid someone may see him

Bluebelle I am not defending him. You don’t except there are ‘one night stands’ I do.

The latest reports, I have posted this on another tbread ‘ the dark haired woman leaving the house when Andrew stood at the door is allegedly the daughter of Paul Keating, Mr Keating has said he will not comment .

If, as has been reported and posted on another thread, the girl is Paul Keating's daughter then she would not have been a vulnerable 'sex slave', nor does she look as if she is.

I just wonder, and in no way defending anyone, whether Epstein facilitated some rich and powerful men such as Andrew to have affairs with women they knew who were in fact compliant?

X post Anniebach

I'm not saying it's right, but if you're looking for examples of 'famous' people taking advantage of young girls, what about the pop groups of the '60s, '70s onwards?

Oh for Heavens Sake...useless thicko Andy was shagging anything he could get his hands on.

The Mrs. found out and dumped him.

Do you have proof Lessismore?

He must have had suspicions, I agree. Very very stupid to ignore them if that is what he did.
I am being generous here.
the Mrs didn't stay home weeping either!

Fennel no such thing as ‘one night stands’ according to some.

Andrew and Fergie divorced in 1996

Lessismore Was I the only one who found Saville very uncomfortable. I recall from an early age sensing something wasn't quite right.

No, you weren't. AND Rolf Harris. I'm 54 and he came to my school when I was 12 and touched a girl up then.

These perverts were KNOWN to be perverts. But if they were rich and powerful enough, no one cared about the girls.

Saville yes, but Harris no.

Of course I don't have proof, I am not in the inner sanctum of the RF.

Thats so horrible about Harris.

As you stated it as a fact, I assumed it must have been proven, Lessismore

Never assume anything.

Well it's my kinda fact....which strangely enough often turns out to be well...a fact.