Corbyn as caretaker

Day6 orders me to "Kindly desist from posting end-of-the-world scenarios, mere personal 'forecasts' and your own opinions as truth. "

I do not think that brexit, even a no-deal brexit would mean "the end of the world" nor have I ever suggested such a thing, but it would certainly be the end of the United Kingdom as we have known it all our lives.

This is not just my own personal opinion. I could give you a very long list of people who share that opinion, from Harriet Harman MP, describing a no-deal brexit as "catastrophic" to NFU President Minette Batters calling it "armageddon" but I doubt any of the blinkered brextreemists would bother to read it.

Thanks for your reply Grandad. Yes, conference, yes, we all know that. But things have changed massively since then- and there is no time to wait for next conference. We are on the edge of a disaster for the UK- so people, even Corbyn, have to adjust to the current situation ... but Mc Cluskey is holding him by the *****s. TBH, I am amazed to read you say you are not a LP member? More than amazed actually.

Very interesting article by Matthew Paris today in The Times - which I read on FB today. He puts into words my real fears about Corbyn's (McCluskey's) motivation and constantly muddying the waters. And he concludes.

'This columnist’s suspicion is that the bandits in temporary control of the Labour Party want Mr Johnson to crash Britain out of the EU, then crash his own premiership into the buffers of a general election. Mr Johnson appears to want this too. Parliament should beware of getting crushed in an eccentric embrace between a crank and a rascal, both trying to procrastinate.'

How can we trust Corbyn, when he still refuses, even today- to state clearly what his intentions are re Brexit- as we suspect he still wants to leave, and still believes in his version of 'cake and eat + unicorns' on top kind of deal.

So right jura

Jura2 Quote [ How can we trust Corbyn, when he still refuses, even today- to state clearly what his intentions are re Brexit- as we suspect he still wants to leave, and still believes in his version of 'cake and eat + unicorns' on top kind of deal.] End Quote.

Jura2 with every respect but you have asked questions and requested information of me a number of times in the last few weeks/days. In your last request you asked me to outline the Labour party policy on Brexit and a second referendum which I did in my reply @13:36 today.

However, you have not even given me the dignity of replying directly to that post, rather you totally ignore the content of my reply to you and post what I consider "total rubbish" in regard to what the Labour Party has stated in regard to it's position on Brexit and a second refeuredum.

You Give in your post-@15:02 an article from the Times newspaper which is an extreme right wing publication which along with the Daily Mail and The sun are and always have been totally hostile to the entire organised Labour movement in the United Kindom.

The above begs the question jura2, why a question of a member of this forum, if you are not even prepared to acknowledge and "pick up" on what has been stated. Instead you seem to had already made your judgment prior to your request of me from "crap publications" such as the above.

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Grandad1943 what an unbelievable rude and insulting post. I’ve reported it and I hope they remove it.

Boosgran, so be it.

Wow, no wonder some people don't post on here anymore! I think it is you who are reprehensible G.1943! Enough said!

So, GGMK3 your view is that we should Remain in the EU, exactly that same as my view. Where's the "nuance"?

This is a perfect explanation of why your views are seen as extreme. In your world the is only one version of Remain, and it is yours. No one else is allowed an opinion. This is just what we hear, in reverse, from Extreme Leavers, those who talk about a "pure" no-deal Brexit as the only Brexit. There are always other views Varian just the same as there are always exceedingly intolerant people holding extreme views.

Jabberwok, I believe that very few members have actually left the forum in recent times. A considerable number have I feel changed their names for whatever reason best known to themselves.

In regard to disrespectful posts then I probably am in receipt of more than any other member of this forum should anyone care to look back.

The reason for that I will not enter into at this time, but it certainly has nothing to do with my politics or the manner of my posts.

The Telegraph reveals latest YouGov poll

No-deal Brexit preferable to a Jeremy Corbyn government offering a second referendum, poll finds

I am not sure why Remainers imagine the majority of people are not supporting the government in its efforts to get us out on Oct 31st. They obviously are.

That seems much preferable to the hell that awaits the UK if opportunist Corbyn and his Marxist cronies try to seize power.

Hear hear Day6 well said.

I'm still trying to work out why 2% of the Brexit Party supporters would vote remain. I suppose there is always a small percentage ... ...

Anything is preferable to the McClusky/Momentum /Corbyn
government

Can you put a link in please Day 6.

The first YouGov poll in Google that comes up is "YouGov bid to influence Iraq vote uncovered" from 2018. Not at all sure, on reading that "The polling company YouGov secretly created material for social media as part of a controversial political campaign in Iraq last year, The Daily Telegraph has learnt."

Could this be why the DT uses them?

They terrify me too Anniebach!

GGMK3 I am sorry to say I see no difference at all in the views of any two people who want us to remain in the EU. There is no such thing as an extreme remainer. Either we leave or we remain..

I know that leavers have many different views but how can there possibly be more than one version of remain? If you support a so-called soft brexit because you see that as a compromise that is still leaving, not remaining in the EU.

I am genuinely puzzled about what you mean by different versions of remain.

Day6, I am not sure in the current political climate in Britain that information posted in the press would be unbiased, especially when it comes from a polling organisation such as YouGov.

In the above, polling organisations realise that it is in the wording of the question you ask, that draws the answer the polling organisation client is looking for,as in the poll you site the Daily Telegraph.

However, every member of this forum has knowledge of exactly where you stand in the current Brexit debate, and that I thoroughly respect Day6 even if we are totally opposite in the views we express.

For that's the way it should be.

I think varian that many remainers see the EU as perfect not needing reform, others see it as a work in progress and others see it as barely working cohesively but preferable to leaving.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone claim the EU is perfect. As a full member the UK can influence reforms.

I know some Remainers have different ideas on how brexit can best be stopped but by definition all Remainers want us to remain.

Panthlas1 good post??

Isn't it weird how the same little gang sticks together here, bolstering each other up.

Has nobody reviewed their choices and/or felt totally fed up with the whole sorry mess.

I agree, good post Pantglas

The EU has repeatedly stated that it intends to abolish “vetoes” in certain areas - how can the UK influence in this scenario?

Everyone keeps saying the UK can make a difference inside the EU. In reality it is run by the countries with the most votes - Germany has 96 UK has 73. It would be fairer if each country had the same number of votes.