What do we think of Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party?

It's really not about what you alone wanted though Urmanstongran, is it.

You voted leave in the rather controversial referendum. History will have to sort that out for us but it would be difficult to persuade anyone that money wasn't misused, lies told and microtargeting fraudulently undertaken.

We then voted in a general election which those who were in power and wanted more, called a "Brexit" Election. Polls and people had told them that is what they would get. It wasn't, it was much more nuanced than that so they had to work with less power but did not get the message did they.

You want to be out of the EU. That appears to be all those who still want leave can tell us. Not why - so a leave that gives us what you want can be negotiated - just leave - for no apparent reason whatsoever and with every likelihood of us all suffering.

Some say it is "freedom to negotiate better deals", except we now know we will not be able to get better deals.

The English nationalists say they want to return to the 1950s - except their view of the 1950s is of a time that never actually existed. It really didn't and would they give up what we have now to try and create it?

Some want to address the democratic deficit. This was, I must admit the area I felt most concerned about. But those leavers - or at least the ones we see on forums like this - are not interested in democracy unless it seemed to back this shapeless leave they "want". In fact the vote has been for an English Brexit. Ireland and Scotland voted remain and Wales appears to have changed it's mind. That makes sense. There is an English democratic deficit. England does not have a parliament, assembly or any form of devolved power. There is also a deficit in the overall voting system for the UK parliament. But neither of these are to do with the EU.

They are UK issues and any deficit we may have with the EU, if there is such a thing, in what all 28 nations agree, where we have a great deal of influence, will only be worse if we leave and are negotiating with them as one nation against 27. We have also seen that the EU regulations that are apparently made "none democratically" are chimera, no one can tell us what they are and the same goes for the of quoted lack of democracy re decisions made by the ECJ. Which ones leavers actually dislike we are apparently never going to know.

So what is that makes leavers want to leave that can only be dealt with by leaving in a way that will address their issues? Perhaps we will never know and Brexiteers will continue to get more and more angry because we don't know something they have been unable to explain. That, at the moment, is the only way forward for leavers until they tell us exactly and accurately, with none of the hyperbole and emotion, WHY they want to leave.

Yep. What I wanted when I voted Leave. And what hasn’t been delivered yet.

Nearly 3 years on. Ridiculous state of affairs. And what about all this ‘certainty’ that business ‘needed’?

What you actually mean Urmstongran, is that man would not have had to start meddling again and stirring up the far-right if the government had done what you wanted.

In the Brexit General Election the "will of the people" was clear when they returned a hung parliament. Sadly May did not follow up on what she had said the GE would mean and decided to put party before country. Had she worked across party from this point we would have been able to find a compromise solution from that point. The far-right bullies got the better of her but it did allow Farage to take a back seat while they did his work.

NF wouldn’t have needed to get involved if the government had handled Brexit negotiations better. Craven is a word I think describes Theresa May well. And stubborn!

The Brexit Party is a brand new party concentrating on the EU elections at the moment. I suggest you Google The Brexit Party if you want to find out more.

Forward to where Firecracker123? Anyone seen any policies? You know, about the economy, finance and trade; the future funding and organisation of schools and education including special education provision; the NHS and care systems for the sick and elderly; development of towns and cities; provision of suitable housing stock; highways and transport systems to mention a few. What is Farage saying about life in the UK beyond Brexitmania?

How can a party called 'The Brexit Party' continue post-Brexit? Is that it? They want Brexit, but then don't have the slightest idea how they will take the country forward.

Day6: No one wants Corbyn or his Marxist Labour pals running the show.
I most certainly do, and I am not alone. The Labour party has more members than any other.

I am really surprised, and slightly scared, at the amount of support here for Gerald Batten and Tommy Robinson. Farage has charisma, but these England First messages do not bode well.

If he has such a dislike of the EU, and wants nothing to do with it, (as evinced by his lack of attendance so far) why put candidates for the Parliament? The other 27 want it, why mess it up for them except for being nasty.

Yes quizqueen I love Nigel as well he has a lot of support and good quality candidates including John Longworth former Director General of the British Chamber of Commerce. The Brexit Party is the way forward.

Gerald Batten whose adviser is Tommy Robinson. Well I’m judging you qq by the company you keep.

Nigel's always been my man and I like Gerard Batten too so, if UKIP and the Brexit Party scoop up a lot of the European elections votes, then I'll be happy. Yes, I'd like to see them cause maximum trouble in the EU because I'd love to see it collapse as soon as possible and all the 28 countries can be free and no longer just member states of a corrupt political union! I can see the worry etched in Juncker's face thinking that he could lose his cash cow.

The more thinly-spread the right-wing vote, the better!

I couldn't agree more mcem. A large part of Newnight was given over this evening to talking about the increasing concern about the rise in the far right. It is, apparently, of more concern currently than any other ideology which is based on hate. Watching another programme recently, they are apparently beginning to watch how the phrasing comes through on normal sites that has been picked up from the far-right ones. They were saying - and saying the same tonight - that the idea of "lone wolves" causing the murders is wrong. These people are indoctrinated in the same way other ideologies do. In fact, I have heard and seen it written that the far-right groups mirror the Isis groups in the way that they work to indoctrinate.

I think the thing I was most grateful to hear being called out was how politicians, using far right language and tropes and trying to appeal in this way, were simply "normalising" these extremist and dangerous views. They quoted the poster with the line of immigrants (all apparently destined for the UK ) and the description of women as letter boxes among others. It seems they are just beginning to work on uncovering these groups as they are now accepting just how dangerous they are for this is for our country.

Where Farage is concerned, we have already watched the direction UKIP has taken, I wonder how long it will take the Brexit party to go the same way?

I think the Brexit Party has gained a lot of support already.

Farage long ago distanced himself from the toxic element of UKIP. The nasties are a minority hich no right-minded decent person wants to associate with. Farage makes that point. But of course he has his detractors. Despite his distancing himself from UKIP long ago, the usual suspects loathe him because he was the only brave soul to mention that Labour's free-flow immigration policy as changing the face of most major cities in the UK and that people were concerned.

Every other politician swept the discussion under the carpet. Strangely, in their following manifestos they then promised to limit immigration and tighten policies. Labour, Conservatives and Lib Dems were forced to broach an issue which was causing wide scale concern. Farage as the only politician who dared to voice those concerns.

Must admit he comes across as being one of the fairest presenters on LBC. Never thought I'd say that, but he is polite, listens to different points of view, and doesn't try to shout others down as does rabid lefty "How to be Right"presenter James O'Brien.

I am sick to the back teeth of the Brexit farce, and some of the MPs who have welched on their promises, so if Farage can take the vote away from Labour and the Conservatives after the EU elections, (should the Brexit Party go on) I hope he destroys our two party political system.

It is long overdue.

No one wants Corbyn or his Marxist Labour pals running the show. Labour has betrayed the traditional working class voter. May is a busted flush, a Remainer who all along hoped we'd Remain, and it looks like she has succeeded. She doesn't have a natural successor, so the Conservative party is doomed - hoist by their own petard. They are in for a thrashing at the next GE, but people are mindful that the alternative is terrifying - Corbyn can never become our Prime Minister.

I'd love to see at least a third of our present MPs lose their seats in the next GE. People are very angry. Westminster at present is a complete shambles. I hope the Brexit Party knocks them all out of the park or at least splits the vote and weakens the established parties.

I know three academics who have paid their £25 and joined the Brexit Party as a two fingered salute to Westminster. We had a very lively discussion last night. There are Farage haters on here, but I think many, many people are willing him and his new party to do well.

Ohhh no Sharon, no firing squad, but really? , he reminds me of school days, you know there’s always one in the class pitting one against the other , giving it a good stir, then slinking away in glee enjoying the Mayhem left behind ( no pun intended )

I'm ready for the firing squad......I'm a Nigel Farage fan. I like the man.

Detest the man!

Very witty Maw!
Are you the same poster we know and love? Slightly different name makes me unsure.
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The more thinly-spread the right-wing vote, the better!

Martin Baxter, the Electoral Calculus founder, said: “Theresa May is discovering why David Cameron really held the referendum. It wasn’t to placate his own Eurosceptic MPs, instead it was to stop Conservative voters defecting to pro-Brexit parties. That process seems to have restarted and the Conservatives are beginning to suffer.”

Well the new Brexit Party is just the Easter tonic those who voted Leave need! Let’s hope it shakes things up a bit. This logjam of almost 3 years duration isn’t achieving anything!
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'The former Ukip leader … will lose €40,000 (£35,500) in total, the Guardian has learned, after European parliament auditors concluded he had misspent that amount of EU funds.
Financial controllers have been investigating the role of Christopher Adams, who was hired by Farage to work in the European parliament as his assistant.
Auditors suspended Adams’ contract last year, because they were not convinced he was working for Farage on European parliamentary matters. Although paid as Farage’s assistant, Adams was also the national nominating officer for Ukip, where he was described as one of the party’s “key people”...' .not sure how old this report is but it just about sums up Farage doesn't it.

I sincerely hope A50 is followed through and we leave which is the best democratic outcome.

I do wish the you Leavers would stop waving that word 'democratic ' around like a magic incantation. It may have appeared to have been 'democratic' for a few months post June 2016 but as the evidence has come out about criminal activity, cheating and anti-democratic targeting of adverts to the vulnerable (a process which is still going on) it is absolutely clear that referendum result is unsafe and should not be implemented.
So, while following through A50 may be the best outcome in the eyes of Leavers it is not a 'democratic' outcome. It's just an endorsement of cheating.

I wouldn't rely on that snake in the grass Gove for anything UG.

I sincerely hope A50 is followed through and we leave which is the best democratic outcome.

I know we sold our fishing rights to the EU. But perhaps post Brexit we can (with Gove’s help and others) negotiate new deals to benefit the U.K. long term.

He was paid for representing our Fishing Industry for so mayn years- hardly ever attending. On is watch, and we never know, with his help and whatever the implications could be ...the UK became the only EU country which decided to all fishing quotas to be sold abroad- the UK's decision, NOT the EU - almost 50% of our fishing quotas were sold, by the UK to Spanish, Dutch and Iceland companies - 29% to Rich List families and their massive fleet, not quaint fishing village.

If you don’t think Faridge is a liar watch this.
www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/watch-nigel-farage-v-james-obrien-live-from-1130-9/