another transgender surprise.

And since the Greens ‘non-men’ I really really can’t support them politically

Ah well - I was brought up in a world that was not gender critical so I was subject to many of the stereotypical manifestations of masculinity and femininity which I’ve had to try to address.

Thats what being gender critical means

I.e. acting/looking/feeling steriotypically "girly" is not what makes someone a woman. Or not a woman.

Sounds like you are gender critical.

P.s. to whom it concerns, I am not Cis. Do not missgender me.

I am not CIS because what makes me female does not "match" gender steriotypes of what men think a woman should be/do/look like.

Thanks.

I dont "gender identify" at all. I think gender steriotypes are bollocks. I am of the female sex.

Redefining "women" as anyone who feels girly , or acts girly , or dresses girly , or likes girly things

And not doing the above makes you a lesser woman, and even possibly a boy/man if you believe what young girls are being taught in school under the guise of "inclusiveness"

Is a BIG STEP BACK for women
And clearly we must sit down and be quiet about it.

Like good little Cis girls..

Nah

Cis woman means you were born female AND you match female gender steriotypes.

Think about it...

"Being critical of the concept of gender of course"

Of course????!!! Right.

maryeliza I would never have thought you would have been into any of this.

And what's a " burner email"? Something like the phones they have on Line of Duty?

? maryeliza I didn't mean you were exactly into it!

Although, of course, it's fine if you are!

It just means not:
[email protected]

An online non work email that doesnt really identify you.

I still have an email that I got when emails first came out. Its my full name. Most people had the same. I dont use that one for forums etc.

Oh right. One of those. The sort you get, and then can't for the life of you remember how to get onto it again.

Burner email is also what you use to buy things online etc if you dont want your personal email spammed with marketing

Yeah thats the one gonegirl

The one you gave for your Range e-recipt then cant get into when you actually need to return that lamp!

Right.

But I prefer the Line of Duty interpretation..

Serious question: do I understand correctly that transgender people don't have to have had surgery or medical intervention in order to be regarded as of the opposite sex to that in which they were born? And yet, they must have lived 'as the opposite sex' for two years? If so how do they 'construct what the 'opposite' sex is?

Not sure I've explained that well, but I am seriously confused because I know women who dress and behave non-stereotypically and men ditto. So if I was born a woman, but dress like a non-stereotypical woman; e.g. jeans and T-shirts (unisex?) and call myself a 'man', without any biological changes, what exactly is it that I've changed to become a 'man'?

I had read about this word 'cis' and know what it's supposed to mean. Very strange, but babies have been born with uncertain sexual characteristics from time 'immoral'. The ability to change from one to another, or emphasise one rather than another, is new
RE 'sex' v 'gender'
In my working days I gave a teenage boy a personality questionnaire to fill out.
After name, dob etc it asked "sex".
He replied "Not yet" .

Looking at the original post the reason the ruling was given was because MN did not attend or defend the application, presumably because they knew they had none of the things they were being asked to supply. Now you may think that the judgement is wrong but given the non-attendance it was inevitable. It is doubtful therefore that the ruling would set a legal precedent and it should be possible to oppose any future demands.
However if in the past someone has been hurt, deeply offended, even traumatised by a form of address or by a name they once used I can see no reason why they should have to endure the same pain again.
As for the instance of changing a name through marriage being similar I think perhaps if there had been an abusive relationship which caused distress and pain then refusing to be known by that name would seem equally as valid .

And yet, they must have lived 'as the opposite sex' for two years?

Wrong. That only applies to changing a birth cert.

Otherwise, doesnt seem to matter if a man has only claimed to be a woman since last tuesday to access womens spaces etc

In practice there is no time requirement of having "lived as" to claim transphobia for deadnaming and waste poilice time on it

Notanan2 - thanks for sharing your views, although from what I have read this afternoon there is a different between being gender critical and being critical of gender.

It is easy to infer meaning in text when none is meant, so I apologise if I have misinterpreted you, but your comment "like good little cis girls" came across as patronising. I choose to use cis just the same as you choose to use female sex.

Neither is wrong.

& there is no requirement to change your birth cert in order to identify as a woman.

There is no bench mark. Just "cause I says so".

Heavens, I understand very little of what has been discussed on this thread. The bit I do get is that I agree with maryeliza54. Never thought that would happen, scary.

Thats fine GrannyLiv

I have female friends in RL who also enjoy living up to feminine gender role steriotypes, and I defend their right to do so.

I apologise if I offended you personally.

But we are not all femme behaving CIS women just by the default of being women, who are not trans women.

Because that is what CIS means. It means you match the gender steriotypes which have been assigned to your birth sex.

Which is okay. If you do and are cool with that.