Putting Humpty Dumpty together again

grannyactivist - I too have friends who won’t speak to each other because of Brexit and even a family member who moved away, taking their family and business to Southern Ireland. They had NO intention of going abroad prior to the vote, but didn’t want their children brought up in “a country full of hate”.
I think it will be a generation at the very least before there is some sort of peace.
I have heard from a British Muslim friend that the abuse she has received since the vote is many times worse and happens more often than she’d ever experienced before, and a young Polish woman I know who has been living and working here for about 10 years has been threatened on public transport and told to “f - off” home. This IS her home.
I try not to talk about Brexit in “mixed” company now. It’s just too hot a topic. My friends tend to feel as I do about these matters but if I don’t know people so well (and how they voted) I try to steer away from the topic.
The pain, the anger and the despair on both sides is palpable. I fear it will be so for the duration of my life nd hope and pray that time heals.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-46635022
Plenty more if you look, gonegirl and gilly

Day6: 'It will be interesting to note which groups in society become the scab pickers, won't it? '

yes, that is a good question. Will it be Remainers who will say 'we told you so' if things don't turn out to be quite as expected by Leavers, especially in areas facing all sorts of problems.

Or the Leavers, when they realise they were lied to, that so many jobs are lost, agriculture and industry decimated, more immigrants rather than less, NHS privatised to Trump and co- especially when the investigations do take place properly into FRaud.

Or both? Your guess is as good as mine.

I am of the opinion we will not leave the EU . I voted leave and would do again, but there is no will in Parliament for it to happen.

I also think if there was a ‘People’s Vote’ the options offered up would be such that the required result would ensue.

I voted leave because I think the EU is an undemocratic nonsense, EEC was fine and time has proved we were right not to join the Euro. The way Greece was treated was an abomination in my view.

I think the country is deeply deeply divided between rich and poor and there is little or no social mobility.

was NOT binding it was advisory only and yet we are following blindly down a route that can not only ruin our country financially

Hang on. Get it right.

Our MPs voted almost unanimously to trigger Article 50 and most prominent MPs including Corbyn and Starmer for Labour said they would back the result of the referendum. Pick an argument with your MPs, not Leave voters.

Mostly Scottish Nationalist Party MPs were against it.

From the Independent.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/article-50-parliament-mps-vote-brexit-theresa-may-eu-negotiations-labour-conservative-how-voted-a7558291.html

MPs have voted overwhelmingly in favour of Theresa May triggering Article 50, meaning the Prime Minister is on track to begin Brexit negotiations with Brussels in March

By 498 to 114 - a majority of 384 - MPs backed allowing the bill to progress to the next, more detailed legislative stage.

If we don’t notice any difference- what would have been the point of all this turbulence.? We could have just stayed the same.

We probably won't notice the difference jura.

As long as we don't continually 'pick the scab' I have no doubt that we the people of the United kindom will move on. Whats the alternative?

I think that sums it up Cherrytree.

Well said.

It will be interesting to note which groups in society become the scab pickers, won't it?

I get the feeling some people do not want peace and harmony but like grudges to fester and people to blame because things haven't gone to plan as they wanted them to. That has to be a societal shift.

Have the days of pulling together and making the best of what we have ended? Do we always have to have a scapegoat and be at each other's throats? It's no way to live.

Surely that depends very much on the effects Brexit will have - especially if No Deal. If the country prospers wonderfully, coffers become full and there is lots of money to spend on the NHS, education, social services and a whole array of wonderful things- if businesses all rush in to provide 1000s of jobs all over the UK, especially in Leave areas which have suffered terribly in the past 30+ years - then we will all have a group hug and a street party with lots of flags, and jelly and icre-cream and scones with clotted cream- and it will be all over.

But if things don't quite turn out as above ... then ?!?

Gonegirl I am of the same opinion. I hope we will all just get used to the fact that we are out of the EU and squabbling and bearing a grudge will be pointless.

Do you remember the days when it didn't matter whether you voted Conservative or Labour? Only those who had political ideologies cared.

We didn't hang on the every movement of particular politicians like we've done since the advent of social media. No one followed what went on in the HOC like we do today (although we are going through the most turbulent phase at the moment).

Life went on.

I think forums like this, in which we keyboard warriors express strong opinion, cause divides.

We'd tolerate others much more if we weren't aware of their politics. I like to think only those who bear grudges are of the 'hating' variety (as mentioned on the Brexit Good News thread today) and not many people are like that in face to face interaction.

Online squabbles tend to become blown out of proportion. I don't think the country is deeply divided. I have no idea of the political views of the people in my neighbourhood. My nearest neighbours are lovely and will remain that way, even if I find out they think differently from me in terms of politics or Brexit.

They are not grounds for enmity in my world.

Cultural heritage shapes our identities and everyday lives

I love the mixture of my British culture and heritage and the way it is enhanced by the input from others.

But, I mean, we know that happened don't we?

I don't know what happened?

I didn’t say Sunderland wasn’t nice - I’ve no idea, I’m sure there are nice bits like every where else, I just thought it would be a good capital of leave England/ Wales if London and Scotland went independent, could address the divisive political situation. This is obvs just a jokey suggestion, but U.K. has form for slicing up bits of countries.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/27/brexit-referendum-conservative-party

Have you seen this grannya? It says it all

according to janea, she is a "right wing extremist" so I have no desire to know her

Assuming this is true of course.

But, I mean, we know that happened don't we?

From what I've just read she campaigns for the rights of women and children against rape. Perhaps she has been branded far right extremist because of her fighting against the gangs who groomed young girls. (Because they were Muslim gangs and the young girls were white)

I haven't heard of her either Gonegirl but according to janea, she is a "right wing extremist" so I have no desire to know her.

Binks

I had never heard of Sharon Banks before, but going by this she sounds pretty good. m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wtf6wnqS-So

comments not comment

I don't think my calling you (and trisher) snobs for what were clearly snobbish comment about the people of Sunderland, bears any comparison to you suggesting I might be friends with a right wing extremist janea which was uncalled for and nasty.

I don’t think any of my comment is snobbish Gilly and if you dish out insults, don’t be surprised if you get one back.

Crystaltipps For your information, although it is possible that some nice people live in Sunderland

oh I don't know janea which part do you think sounds snobbish?

You forget janea I don't have any friends and I have never heard of Sharon Binks ….. What a horrible thing to suggest that I might be friends with (in your words) "a right wing extremist".