“Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU” Petition

Urmstongran

I don't know the woman who started the petition (I can't even remember her name) and I don't know the facts about what she put on her FB page. However I would gently and respectfully suggest that you don't know the facts either, just what some reports have said and we all know we have to be a bit careful now-a-days.

It just seems to me a little bit unlikely that she would be stupid enough to hand the Leave faction a handle like this; even if that's what she thinks.

OK that's it over the 4,500,000. Keep going.

Icanhandthemback: But, just because they are marching, it doesn’t mean they are all eligible to vote.

What difference does that make? No doubt some marchers were too young to vote in 2016 and some are too young now. Even more important for them then to have a say since the future is theirs. Also, some demonstrators will be EU-nationals who were of course not allowed to vote. They have the right to be heard as well.

The other day I met with three elderly ladies. They were all Scandinavian and had arrived in the UK in the 1950's. All had married British men, all had worked for many years, paid their taxes and NI contributions. Two of them were nurses and one had worked as a teacher. Now they are being told they have to apply for 'settled status'. They are worried. But more than that they no longer feel welcome. Should this happen in a democratic society?

Just been watching the so called People's March today. One million people who cannot accept the democratic decision to leave.

Democratic - are you sure?!? The Electoral Commission would have overturned it a long time ago due to FRAUD- but are unable to do so because is is, by our own Laws, advisory.

No one should accept the result of that fraudulent referendum. Quite enough harm has already been done. It should be stopped.

Brexit will never be stopped, I’m certain of that. But it will be a ‘soft’ brexit which is neither here nor there.

You can slag off the million who marched, me included, as not accepting a democratic decision, we are entitled to protest in this country and we have democratic elections every few years, it’s not a one off. 3 years is a long time in politics and people should be allowed to vote when knowledge and circumstances change. If you think we have a perfect democracy then having another vote should enhance democracy.

Have just read that the 77 year old woman who started the petition has received several phoned death threats. She is very scared but can’t tell her frail husband. Hope she’s getting support.

I hope she's getting support and protection. What a dreadful reflection on us as a country if we can't have peaceful, lawful protest without death threats.

4,645,080 and rising

And I'd like to point out that the woman who started it was only one person. The rest of us - 4,645,079 so far - freely decided ourselves to put our names to the petition and intimidation is like terrorism...not the way to show you have a good argument.

What are the threateners so afraid of?

The magnificent thing about democracy is that the right to public protest is an integral part of it. It should be exercised freely and often.

Kandinsky - what does a 'soft Brexit' mean- could you please explain- there are dozens and more of 'soft options' being proposed ba all and sundry. Mostly 'Cake and eat it with unicorns' - eg all the rights of being in the EU, with none of the responsibilities. If there was one clear soft option being proposed, I and 1000s might get behind that.

And how long do you think that perfect 'soft Brexit' - once we know what it is - will take- and the months and months of uncertainty that goes with it.

We could have gone from the very start for a Norway style option- but we didn't. This is what Farage said, again and again - but now is saying he never said it - when there is footage after footage showing him saying just that. And Hannan saying no-one in their right mind would even consider leaving the customs' union and single market - but now he says that he never ever said that- even though there is clear footage showing him saying that, etc, etc.

So 'soft option' what on earth does that mean, in real terms ?!?

We had a vote, and Remain lost! End of story.

andy is that you?

Ah boat I concur. I suppose ‘nowadays’ none of us should totally trust ANY media source. I check plenty. But how do any of us know just who is kidding who?

Scary really.
We see what we see. We post and share. We offer links and quote sources. Should we trust ANY of them? How would any of us form an opinion? Do we think some sites are just conspiracy therories then?

Maybe it was ever thus and we, even in this digital ‘immediate share’ world are just fed nonsense. Who knows really?

Norway doesn't want the UK in with them. It would make things too difficult. The UK has too many people.

An on-line petition cannot over throw a referendum. Just marching with flags is not democracy. For that you need a proven written majority.

n the guardian tonight: "There are still a few things in public life that you cannot fake. You can fake photographs and you can fake news. You can fake conviction and you can fake emotions. You can fake a Twitter-petition and you can fake Facebook outrage. But you cannot fake an almighty crowd."

Probably better MargaretX- for Democracy, to have a significant majority- and certainly one not FRAUDULENTLY obtained.

The Guardian should know, it is full of fake news.

oh andy, you are so bitter.

jura2

I’m not sure what sort of brexit we’ll eventually end up with, but as it won’t be a hard brexit ( no deal ) then by definition it will be a soft brexit.
All sorts of options are being talked about so we’ll just have to wait & see.

Greta, it only makes a difference because if we are celebrating that 1 million marched, if 500,000 were say, 5 year old, you could not really count them because they have no idea about it and if there was another vote, their views would not be heard. That was an extreme example but you get my drift.

I don't think all EU nationals should have been allowed to vote but I do agree that EU nationals who have been UK resident and worked for a given number of years or have married a Brit should have had a say. It is a difficult one to decide what the cut off point should be but I would not consider I was "invested" in a country just because I worked in it. Given time, that might change but it wouldn't be an immediate thing. Also, a lot of those who work over here absolutely don't intend to stay forever so I am not sure of the legitimacy of wanting to vote in this country's future.
I have 2 friends who have been in this country for the last 20 years and the last thing I want to do is make them feel unwelcome or unloved. However, that does not mean I want to stay in the EU as it currently stands and that has nothing to do with the way I feel about them.

“Soft or hard = both shit.” ( from a placard!) I.e. both worse than the deal we already have as a members.

500,000 on the march weren’t under 5 btw.

Arguing about the composition of the crowd is a sign of desperation imo - it was enormous - as Leavets like to say to Remainers ‘Get over it’