The cliff edges nearer because May doesn’t want to split party!

serious and informative - well look at andy's 100s of posts- no information, no links, no real opinion - so not very informative- just as an exemple.

To be fair- the Labour Party- is just as split as the Tories. And JC much worse than Mrs May, however bad she is.

If you had one Party wanting one thing, and another wanting the opposite- the situation would be (relatively) easy- but both are totally divided, and with sub groups wanting totally different things. How on earth is the EU supposed to negotiate, when the country is totally split, and the main parties totally split - and don't agree, on either side, never mind each other on opposite sides- what they actually want ?!?

Not for the first time lemon you misquote me.

Anyone who has been paying attention for the last three years should have learned by now that the whole question of the relationship between the UK and the other 27 members of the EU, and the implications of us leaving the EU, is a very complicated question.

If we take it seriously there is much to be discussed and anyone who still thinks it is simply a matter of "just leave" has a great deal to learn.

oooh mumsnet a fun place, zzzzzzzz

All will be fine not lone to go til we exit.....

celebrate here


fun times.

good times prosperity for GB

So only Remainer views are ‘serious and informative’ now, according to varian .......dear oh dear.

My point was varian that posters of all views are replicating exactly the same thoughts on all threads, it’s rather silly and could be all one thread.

Mumsnet has 50 brexit threads which have had postings on the last 5 days, that is just the first page of brexit threads and there are forty pages.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_

Obviously there is some repetition such as "we won, get over it " which we all see on the GN threads but brexit is the most important political decision of our lifetimes and there is still a great deal of ignorance to be dispelled.

If anything we need more serious informative postings on brexit, not less. Perhaps the leavers are frightened that they might eventually have the light shine on their spurious arguments and their lack of positive reasons for brexit exposed. The two pathetic "good news about brexit" threads have only shown up the total lack of good news about brexit.

I wonder if HQ could fuse some of the Brexit threads, as we are saying the same things on at least 3 threads now.

Good for Bercow standing up for parliament. He only allowed the second "meaningful vote" beacause there had been some renegotiation, but a third vote on exactly the same deal would be totally against the rules of our parliamentary democracy.

New twist on this announced on the BBC:

Commons Speaker John Bercow has ruled out the government holding another vote on its previously rejected Brexit agreement if the motion remains "substantially the same".

I think andy knows that the EU is 'evil' in exactly the same way as John Redwood is a 'fantastic, honest guy'.
It's just silly banter. We are grans, we are used to children acting up. We can rise above it.
(He's going to come back with some idiotic comment about that isn't he????)
just to show I can do them as well!

Yet another post from andy referring to the EU as 'evil'. I find this totally unacceptable. Do we foster good relationships with others by calling them 'evil?' History should have taught us what that sort of attitude leads to. And please, don't tell me it's only a joke. I find it strange that some posters encourage andy to carry on with his childish, offensive comments.

Andy I know I'm going to regret responding to your post, but here goes. The EU is not evil. We have gained a lot from being a member, i.e. regeneration of many city/town centres for example. We have enjoyed trade with partners in the EU and internationally via EU trade agreements. We have been in a partnership in which we prospered, so much so, we were the 5th wealthiest nation in the world AS A MEMBER. What was wrong with that?

The problem was this - the inequitable distribution of that wealth within the UK, leaving some areas grossly underfunded and neglected .

Who was responsible for that? Not the EU. It was the British Government. That cannot be laid at the doors of the EU. WE did it to ourselves. WE inflicted dire poverty on communities and caused families needing food banks. WE imposed austerity on areas already greatly suffering unemployment. WE did it to our own people.

And it turns out there was a money tree after all! The DUP have found it and it's thriving.

The EU and the representatives of all the other nations have a job to do looking to the welfare of their own people. We are wrong to expect them to be overly concerned about what happens to us now and that does not make them evil.

all biased to the evil EU

Thank you for posting that Varian. I've just read about the Andrew Marr show today on which Philip Hammond did not rule out another cash incentive to NI if the DUP backed May's deal. He said the deal would not be put to parliament without the support of the DUP beforehand.

He added that the government do not yet have the numbers to secure the deal and described it as 'a work in progress.'

So the big question is: can the DUP be bribed again - and if so, shame! Cash for votes. We would be very critical of other countries who cannot manage their governance better.

John McDonnell said TM risked 'destroying all confidence in our political system' if she was considering giving another 'bung' to the DUP.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47602746

ITV political editor Robert Peston writes -

"The prime minister’s frantic last attempt to persuade Northern Ireland’s DUP to back her third meaningful vote on Tuesday involves a promise that if the controversial backstop is ever triggered, Great Britain would adopt any new food and business rules that could be forced by the EU on Northern Ireland.

This is a high risk offer by Theresa May to NI’s unionist party - which has huge clout with her because without its votes in parliament her government would collapse.

As a minister told me, for the DUP to accept the offer it would have to trust that a future prime minister and government would honour the pledge - which cannot be guaranteed even if May legislates for such alignment (because any law can always be repealed).

May’s offer falls far short of the DUP’s demand that the EU must change the so-called Withdrawal Agreement, to remove the potential for business and food regulations between Great Britain and NI to diverge - and thereby, according to the DUP, create a new kind of legal border between NI and the mainland.
It also risks alienating some Brexiteer purists because it would keep the whole of the UK tied to the EU’s single market and undermine further the ability of Westminster to - in their words - “take back control”.

What is perhaps worse and would rub salt into Brexiteer wounds, this unilateral British acceptance of alignment with EU rules, for as long as the backstop is in force, would not remove the responsibility of EU institutions to routinely interfere in UK affairs, to check that goods and food flowing from GB to NI meet EU standards.

So logically the regulatory alignment offer should not pacify and win over the DUP.

But sources close to the DUP tell me that - to their surprise - it may have done.

If so they would announce this entente as soon as tomorrow."

www.itv.com/news/2019-03-17/what-the-pm-offered-the-dup/

this is one big happy family all thinking the same way together, jolly exciting

oh they will try and buy the DUP. of course.

glad my posts are being accepted in an amazing way

I thank you.

freedom and democracy, I might just crack open a beer.

I see Philip Hammond was at the talks with the DUP last Friday. Anyone seen whether there was another cash offer? The other one is up in June.

Another of your jokes Andy? It's the way you tell'em.

And so liberal and broad minded!

john redwood is a fantastic honest guy

jabber well said a great post

Project fear wasn't exactly the truth. Wheeling in President Obama to threaten us wasn't exactly very neat and rubbed people up! what he said was rubbish particularly as his presidency was nearing its end! An emergency budget?!!!! Both sides lied! The side of the bus? Well that was for AFTER we left! As we still haven't left, how can that be a lie?!!

Varian
Andys 'joke' was in reference to humptydumptys miss spelling of the the word 'David'
I can understand that you might have missed it as it was one might call 'humour'

lol funny